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Use the Force is Cha-based?! (not...Wis?)
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<blockquote data-quote="fireinthedust" data-source="post: 5029670" data-attributes="member: 51930"><p>Ok, add to it, then, Jack Black or Christopher Walken. Or Hilary Clinton. Heck, Pierre Trudeau was pretty pug ugly, but he was extremely popular and charismatic. More so than, say, the seven samurai, or The Hidden Fortress, which as we all know is the basis for Star Wars; or, more directly, the powerful Jedi from the movies.</p><p></p><p> Luke is the hero, but he's not a great leader; he has rank eventually but from the start everyone is running him down. Heck, even when he is a powerful force user in Return of the Jedi, Han laughs at the idea of the plan working out.</p><p></p><p>Darth Vader, on the other hand, rules through force, sure. But intimidate isn't the same as being charming.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I get the analogy, I'm just thinking that it's not the first thing I think of when I hear the phrase "he is Wise in the ways of the Force", or what have you. The likeable halfling Pippin has a higher Cha than Wis, and yet these starts are what let him go into a Force Trance and heal? Like, meditate?</p><p></p><p>Wisdom is all about Willpower, more so than Charisma ever was or is. Will saves were originally from it, Perception is, and in the d20 CoC game you tally up sanity with your Wis score and multiply it by 5 to get the final number. </p><p> Magic back in the day was all about secrets and exerting your will on the universe. Making the Sorcerer was a great idea, but I don't think it's the be-all and end-all of enlightenment. </p><p> </p><p>I don't have to be a great leader to have a deep spirituality, and that's what the Force is all about. Symbolically. I just don't see Jedi as people-persons.</p><p></p><p></p><p>And if a Jedi told you to jump and you said "how high?" it'd be for the same reason you'd say that to Wolverine if he asked you. Or the Hulk. They can really beat you up and have a source of power that might make you uncomfortable.</p><p> That's why people like Bards, not Wizards or Swordmages.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="fireinthedust, post: 5029670, member: 51930"] Ok, add to it, then, Jack Black or Christopher Walken. Or Hilary Clinton. Heck, Pierre Trudeau was pretty pug ugly, but he was extremely popular and charismatic. More so than, say, the seven samurai, or The Hidden Fortress, which as we all know is the basis for Star Wars; or, more directly, the powerful Jedi from the movies. Luke is the hero, but he's not a great leader; he has rank eventually but from the start everyone is running him down. Heck, even when he is a powerful force user in Return of the Jedi, Han laughs at the idea of the plan working out. Darth Vader, on the other hand, rules through force, sure. But intimidate isn't the same as being charming. I get the analogy, I'm just thinking that it's not the first thing I think of when I hear the phrase "he is Wise in the ways of the Force", or what have you. The likeable halfling Pippin has a higher Cha than Wis, and yet these starts are what let him go into a Force Trance and heal? Like, meditate? Wisdom is all about Willpower, more so than Charisma ever was or is. Will saves were originally from it, Perception is, and in the d20 CoC game you tally up sanity with your Wis score and multiply it by 5 to get the final number. Magic back in the day was all about secrets and exerting your will on the universe. Making the Sorcerer was a great idea, but I don't think it's the be-all and end-all of enlightenment. I don't have to be a great leader to have a deep spirituality, and that's what the Force is all about. Symbolically. I just don't see Jedi as people-persons. And if a Jedi told you to jump and you said "how high?" it'd be for the same reason you'd say that to Wolverine if he asked you. Or the Hulk. They can really beat you up and have a source of power that might make you uncomfortable. That's why people like Bards, not Wizards or Swordmages. [/QUOTE]
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