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<blockquote data-quote="CountPopeula" data-source="post: 4386220" data-attributes="member: 27250"><p>You know why every character seems to have a bag of holding? Because despite how realistic it may be or how much suspension of disbelief it causes or whatever, and no matter how Gary Gygax did it, figuring out encumbrance rules for the amount of coins you're carrying isn't fun for players. Figuring out how much gold you can carry by weight is not fun, it's not challenging, it's math class. Everyone in every edition got a bag of holding as soon as they could. They were even common in the Forgotten Realms novels I read, in that non-adventuring nobles would have them.</p><p></p><p>And if second edition was so low magic, why does the player's handbook have 143 pages (out of 320) devoted to spells? The DMG has 67 pages of magic items.</p><p></p><p>The fourth edition PHB has 60 pages of spells, give or take, and 33 pages of magic items.</p><p></p><p>In keep in the borderlands, I count 27 magic items, not counting scrolls and potions, and counting things like "3-8 with +2 swords" as 1. This is just in the keep. There are 23 magical treasures (again not counting potions and scrolls) in the caves of chaos. In addition to that, there are 28 undead wearing amulets of protection from turning which can be taken, and four amulets of protection from good. I count 11 magic items in Keep on the Shadowfell.</p><p></p><p>Low magic and no reliance on magic items in the older editions indeed. Low magic has only meant one thing: Stingy DMs.</p><p></p><p>As for characters being defined by their magic items... Excalibur, Golden Fleece, Mjolnir, Stormbringer, Green Destiny, Kusanagi, The Sword of Shannara, The Deathly Hallows. Sting.</p><p></p><p>I'm not seeing the problem, other than the new rules mean tight-fisted DMs will have players who are even more unhappy, or that magic power is in the hands of the players as well as the DMs, which is all low-magic really means. "No, it's low magic, and magic is super-mysterious... your enemy is a wizard!"</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="CountPopeula, post: 4386220, member: 27250"] You know why every character seems to have a bag of holding? Because despite how realistic it may be or how much suspension of disbelief it causes or whatever, and no matter how Gary Gygax did it, figuring out encumbrance rules for the amount of coins you're carrying isn't fun for players. Figuring out how much gold you can carry by weight is not fun, it's not challenging, it's math class. Everyone in every edition got a bag of holding as soon as they could. They were even common in the Forgotten Realms novels I read, in that non-adventuring nobles would have them. And if second edition was so low magic, why does the player's handbook have 143 pages (out of 320) devoted to spells? The DMG has 67 pages of magic items. The fourth edition PHB has 60 pages of spells, give or take, and 33 pages of magic items. In keep in the borderlands, I count 27 magic items, not counting scrolls and potions, and counting things like "3-8 with +2 swords" as 1. This is just in the keep. There are 23 magical treasures (again not counting potions and scrolls) in the caves of chaos. In addition to that, there are 28 undead wearing amulets of protection from turning which can be taken, and four amulets of protection from good. I count 11 magic items in Keep on the Shadowfell. Low magic and no reliance on magic items in the older editions indeed. Low magic has only meant one thing: Stingy DMs. As for characters being defined by their magic items... Excalibur, Golden Fleece, Mjolnir, Stormbringer, Green Destiny, Kusanagi, The Sword of Shannara, The Deathly Hallows. Sting. I'm not seeing the problem, other than the new rules mean tight-fisted DMs will have players who are even more unhappy, or that magic power is in the hands of the players as well as the DMs, which is all low-magic really means. "No, it's low magic, and magic is super-mysterious... your enemy is a wizard!" [/QUOTE]
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