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Message: <blockquote data-quote="dnd3dm" data-source="post: 3004365" data-attributes="member: 4680">We had some problems with an NPC villian mounted on the back of a gargantuan wyvern, who charged with a lance, at the last game I ran. First, one player playing a druid/master of many forms tried to grapple the rider (the druid was not airbourne yet). I overrulled the grapple, saying the druid who was a large creature, could not reach the rider. Another player responded by quoting the rule that a rider is considered to be in any square that his mount occupies. But for the life of me, I can't see that rule making sense when a mount is two or more sizes larger than the rider, and the attacker isn't within at least one size category of the mount. If the druid was huge (tall), I might have let him have the grapple. Was this a poor rules call on my part? Second: An arguement broke out that the lance that the rider of the gargantuan wyvern was using was not long enough to be able to reach past the mount's bulk on a charge or in melee. I went to the PHB and had a hard time finding out how long a lance was supposed to be. It only says that you can strike opponents who are 10 feet away, but you can't strike a creature in a square adjacent to you. BTW, the mounted villian on the wyvern had Mounted Combat, Ride-by Attack, Exotic Weapon Proficiency, and Monkey Grip among other feats (he was mostly classed as a fighter). He was a human with the half-dragon and half-fiend templates, plus gauntets of ogre power, and some other stuff that gave him a Strength of 32. He dididn't have a belt of giant strength because his weapons and armor were already really expensive (+5 total each, I believe).  He also had a Barbarian level that brought his Strength to 36 when raged.  Yes, the game is high-level and I have power-gamers for players. So do I need to make up something to explain how he could wield the lance and be able to hit something on the ground with it, or is there a way for me to do this in the rules? This won't be the last time that the PCs will face a rider on a creature that big or bigger, and I do not want to have a rules arguement for a half-hour every time I use a medium-sized foe mounted on a dragon or another huge, gargantuan, or colossal-sized creature.  Whatever happened to the days when high-level characters rode dragons and could charge with a lance without all these arguements cropping up?Thanks in advance.</blockquote>

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