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Using a shield as an 'improvised weapon' while retaining the AC bonus
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<blockquote data-quote="ccooke" data-source="post: 6717291" data-attributes="member: 6695890"><p>(b) is supported by RAW, as far as I'm concerned.</p><p></p><p>For (a), my personal ruling would be: sort of.</p><p></p><p>Consider - the point of the +1 from Duel Wielder is that you are proficient in using two objects in concert to defend yourself. Since you are required to have both hands in use to gain the bonus, that seems to carry over nicely. You are using both hands together to provide more defence than you could otherwise - the fact that the thing you are holding in your off hand provides an AC bonus is merely an extra.</p><p></p><p>However, the Dual Wielder feat requires you to be using the shield as a weapon. I would personally say that no, that's not going to gel with the training Dual Wielder provides. If, however, a character was proficient in using a shield as a weapon - I'd allow either the Shield Master or Tavern Brawler feats - then I would allow it. </p><p></p><p>Two feats might seem a lot to in, but either of them synergise nicely with this theme.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ccooke, post: 6717291, member: 6695890"] (b) is supported by RAW, as far as I'm concerned. For (a), my personal ruling would be: sort of. Consider - the point of the +1 from Duel Wielder is that you are proficient in using two objects in concert to defend yourself. Since you are required to have both hands in use to gain the bonus, that seems to carry over nicely. You are using both hands together to provide more defence than you could otherwise - the fact that the thing you are holding in your off hand provides an AC bonus is merely an extra. However, the Dual Wielder feat requires you to be using the shield as a weapon. I would personally say that no, that's not going to gel with the training Dual Wielder provides. If, however, a character was proficient in using a shield as a weapon - I'd allow either the Shield Master or Tavern Brawler feats - then I would allow it. Two feats might seem a lot to in, but either of them synergise nicely with this theme. [/QUOTE]
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