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<blockquote data-quote="juliaromero" data-source="post: 1990249" data-attributes="member: 15641"><p>We have a rogue using a staff now with his Use Magic Device Skill and suddenly a lot of odd questions came up.</p><p></p><p>So, firt, how does he determine his caster level for level based effects? Is it just the standard UMD check of roll+skill-20? Can he cast spells pretending to be higher than his normal level doing this? Our arcane gnome wizard suddenly became very interested in that answer, since he also has a lot of ranks and pluses in UMD and could easily boost his damage dice or spell effects if he could suddenly start "pretending" to be higher level. That seemed too cheesey to me.</p><p></p><p>I housed ruled it for the time being to be a normal roll, but it could never be higher than your character level (though that still helps multii-class spell casters cheat).</p><p></p><p>Also, which ability modifier? Can he just arbitrarily decide to emulate a wizard or sorcerer and thus use either Int or Cha, whichever is better? Or even a Cleric if it is on that spell list too and use Wis in that case?</p><p></p><p>This only seems to be an issue with a staff which uses the caster's stats unlike all other magic items.</p><p></p><p>This of course can get even nastier if you allow that cleric spell from one of the splat books (I can't remember which one right now) that works like True Strike, but with a skill check.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="juliaromero, post: 1990249, member: 15641"] We have a rogue using a staff now with his Use Magic Device Skill and suddenly a lot of odd questions came up. So, firt, how does he determine his caster level for level based effects? Is it just the standard UMD check of roll+skill-20? Can he cast spells pretending to be higher than his normal level doing this? Our arcane gnome wizard suddenly became very interested in that answer, since he also has a lot of ranks and pluses in UMD and could easily boost his damage dice or spell effects if he could suddenly start "pretending" to be higher level. That seemed too cheesey to me. I housed ruled it for the time being to be a normal roll, but it could never be higher than your character level (though that still helps multii-class spell casters cheat). Also, which ability modifier? Can he just arbitrarily decide to emulate a wizard or sorcerer and thus use either Int or Cha, whichever is better? Or even a Cleric if it is on that spell list too and use Wis in that case? This only seems to be an issue with a staff which uses the caster's stats unlike all other magic items. This of course can get even nastier if you allow that cleric spell from one of the splat books (I can't remember which one right now) that works like True Strike, but with a skill check. [/QUOTE]
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