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<blockquote data-quote="Charlaquin" data-source="post: 9756601" data-attributes="member: 6779196"><p>Right, but you’re not just casting two spells with action surge. You’re casting one spell with action surge and then trading your reaction and concentration for a <em>chance</em> at casting a second spell, that can easily be disrupted.</p><p></p><p>Additional benefits? What additional benefits? Having to use your concentration and your reaction are drawbacks, and that’s what makes this move fair, compared to casting the spell immediately with only your action.</p><p></p><p>This isn’t about pushing boundaries, this seems to me to be pretty clearly both possible under the rules as written, and perfectly reasonable in terms of game balance. And I’m analyzing this from a perspective of a DM asking, would I allow a player to do this, not from the perspective of a player wanting to do it. Indeed, as a player I can’t really imagine wanting to do this, for the reasons I’ve already gone over of why it seems suboptimal to me.</p><p></p><p>Sure. There are different possible ways to interpret these rules, and trying to argue that your DM’s interpretation is wrong is disruptive behavior as a player. Frankly, one shouldn’t do it even if the DM does happen to be wrong, because it’s ultimately their decision. If you take issue with a ruling the DM makes, you should discuss it with them privately, away from the table, not during game time. And if you do so, you should make your case, hea out theirs, and then either accept their final decision, or if it matters that much to you, leave the game. Lengthy debates like this are for DMs talking shop, not for players to try to make their DMs rule a certain way because the book says so (maybe, depending on your interpretation).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Charlaquin, post: 9756601, member: 6779196"] Right, but you’re not just casting two spells with action surge. You’re casting one spell with action surge and then trading your reaction and concentration for a [I]chance[/I] at casting a second spell, that can easily be disrupted. Additional benefits? What additional benefits? Having to use your concentration and your reaction are drawbacks, and that’s what makes this move fair, compared to casting the spell immediately with only your action. This isn’t about pushing boundaries, this seems to me to be pretty clearly both possible under the rules as written, and perfectly reasonable in terms of game balance. And I’m analyzing this from a perspective of a DM asking, would I allow a player to do this, not from the perspective of a player wanting to do it. Indeed, as a player I can’t really imagine wanting to do this, for the reasons I’ve already gone over of why it seems suboptimal to me. Sure. There are different possible ways to interpret these rules, and trying to argue that your DM’s interpretation is wrong is disruptive behavior as a player. Frankly, one shouldn’t do it even if the DM does happen to be wrong, because it’s ultimately their decision. If you take issue with a ruling the DM makes, you should discuss it with them privately, away from the table, not during game time. And if you do so, you should make your case, hea out theirs, and then either accept their final decision, or if it matters that much to you, leave the game. Lengthy debates like this are for DMs talking shop, not for players to try to make their DMs rule a certain way because the book says so (maybe, depending on your interpretation). [/QUOTE]
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