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<blockquote data-quote="Teemu" data-source="post: 9756919" data-attributes="member: 30788"><p>If the perceivable trigger is "that creature moves a muscle" and not "that creature moves", you don't need to wait for them to finish moving. The whole issue is that 5e doesn't have clear restrictions or definitions on what can count as a trigger for the Ready action. There's no limit on specific action types or that it has to be moving, as in spending movement speed. It can literally be, "that creature blinks their eyes twice." That's a perfectly valid trigger in 5e.</p><p></p><p>Action Surge in 2024 doesn't say you can't cast a spell. It specifically says you can't take the Magic action. That's the reason why I'm bringing up all these magic items. If Action Surge was only meant to limit spells, it would just say you can't cast spells. Instead it prohibits all Magic actions, which include a ton of magic item abilities that are not spells.</p><p></p><p>Which brings us to the issue of "abusing" the Ready action to bypass Action Surge's limit on the Magic action. I still can't fathom that it would be intended that you can actually use the Magic action by Readying it with Action Surge. Again, you don't lose the charges or uses if the trigger doesn't happen, unlike spells. You don't need to Concentrate. There are no downsides the way you have with spells. Yet, you would rule that Action Surge actually does let you use those magic items despite the very obvious limit on Magic actions?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Teemu, post: 9756919, member: 30788"] If the perceivable trigger is "that creature moves a muscle" and not "that creature moves", you don't need to wait for them to finish moving. The whole issue is that 5e doesn't have clear restrictions or definitions on what can count as a trigger for the Ready action. There's no limit on specific action types or that it has to be moving, as in spending movement speed. It can literally be, "that creature blinks their eyes twice." That's a perfectly valid trigger in 5e. Action Surge in 2024 doesn't say you can't cast a spell. It specifically says you can't take the Magic action. That's the reason why I'm bringing up all these magic items. If Action Surge was only meant to limit spells, it would just say you can't cast spells. Instead it prohibits all Magic actions, which include a ton of magic item abilities that are not spells. Which brings us to the issue of "abusing" the Ready action to bypass Action Surge's limit on the Magic action. I still can't fathom that it would be intended that you can actually use the Magic action by Readying it with Action Surge. Again, you don't lose the charges or uses if the trigger doesn't happen, unlike spells. You don't need to Concentrate. There are no downsides the way you have with spells. Yet, you would rule that Action Surge actually does let you use those magic items despite the very obvious limit on Magic actions? [/QUOTE]
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