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<blockquote data-quote="James Gasik" data-source="post: 9760668" data-attributes="member: 6877472"><p>So, to summarize once more, it's just horrible wording. Even without taking the rules of readying a spell specifically into account.</p><p></p><p>"You take the Ready <strong>action</strong> to wait for a particular circumstance before you act. To do so, you take <strong>this</strong> <strong>action</strong> on your turn, which lets you act by taking a Reaction before the start of your next turn.</p><p></p><p>First, you decide what perceivable circumstance will trigger your Reaction. Then, you choose the<strong> action</strong> you will take in response to that trigger, or you choose to move up to your Speed in response to it..."</p><p></p><p>The rules explicitly call Ready an action. It's an action you take on your turn. Of which you only get one. But then in response to the trigger, you get to take a different action (or non-action, in the case of movement) using your Reaction.</p><p></p><p>I mean, what?! It would have been so much easier to say something like this:</p><p></p><p>"You may choose to Ready your action (or the ability to move up to your speed). Doing so allows you to take the action as a Reaction in response to a set trigger, which must be a perceivable circumstance."</p><p></p><p>Then you can add, if you want, the special language that says "Readying a Magic Action to cast a spell requires your concentration. If you lose concentration before the trigger resolves, the spell has no effect and the spell slot is lost. If the trigger does not resolve before the start of your next turn, or you elect not to take it, the spell slot is lost."</p><p></p><p>Instead we have the rules telling us that Ready is an action (right there in the text), that to Ready a spell you have to cast the spell "normally" (which <strong>should</strong> take a separate Magic action, <em><strong>which you don't have access to</strong></em>), and the effect of the spell is resolved in response to the trigger as a Reaction.</p><p></p><p>Now people in this thread have postulated something to the effect of "No, you see, Ready isn't an action, it's just a special way to use an action"*, which makes sense, and they could have easily worded it that way, as I did above. But instead they chose to come out and call Ready an Action.</p><p></p><p><em>Or, alternately, that Readying a Spell is a completely different beast entirely, that uses the Magic Action and delays it's effect until your Reaction is used, despite the only evidence to support this interpretation*</em> are the words "cast the spell normally".</p><p></p><p>**Other than common sense, but that, sadly, isn't evidence. There are plenty of examples where the people who write this game have shown a complete lack of common sense with regards to their own rules. I'm not saying, btw, that we shouldn't use common sense! We absolutely should! But it's what leads to this impasse because nobody can be positive they know what the rules are saying. Only what they believe they are/should be saying.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="James Gasik, post: 9760668, member: 6877472"] So, to summarize once more, it's just horrible wording. Even without taking the rules of readying a spell specifically into account. "You take the Ready [B]action[/B] to wait for a particular circumstance before you act. To do so, you take [B]this[/B] [B]action[/B] on your turn, which lets you act by taking a Reaction before the start of your next turn. First, you decide what perceivable circumstance will trigger your Reaction. Then, you choose the[B] action[/B] you will take in response to that trigger, or you choose to move up to your Speed in response to it..." The rules explicitly call Ready an action. It's an action you take on your turn. Of which you only get one. But then in response to the trigger, you get to take a different action (or non-action, in the case of movement) using your Reaction. I mean, what?! It would have been so much easier to say something like this: "You may choose to Ready your action (or the ability to move up to your speed). Doing so allows you to take the action as a Reaction in response to a set trigger, which must be a perceivable circumstance." Then you can add, if you want, the special language that says "Readying a Magic Action to cast a spell requires your concentration. If you lose concentration before the trigger resolves, the spell has no effect and the spell slot is lost. If the trigger does not resolve before the start of your next turn, or you elect not to take it, the spell slot is lost." Instead we have the rules telling us that Ready is an action (right there in the text), that to Ready a spell you have to cast the spell "normally" (which [B]should[/B] take a separate Magic action, [I][B]which you don't have access to[/B][/I]), and the effect of the spell is resolved in response to the trigger as a Reaction. Now people in this thread have postulated something to the effect of "No, you see, Ready isn't an action, it's just a special way to use an action"*, which makes sense, and they could have easily worded it that way, as I did above. But instead they chose to come out and call Ready an Action. [I]Or, alternately, that Readying a Spell is a completely different beast entirely, that uses the Magic Action and delays it's effect until your Reaction is used, despite the only evidence to support this interpretation*[/I] are the words "cast the spell normally". **Other than common sense, but that, sadly, isn't evidence. There are plenty of examples where the people who write this game have shown a complete lack of common sense with regards to their own rules. I'm not saying, btw, that we shouldn't use common sense! We absolutely should! But it's what leads to this impasse because nobody can be positive they know what the rules are saying. Only what they believe they are/should be saying. [/QUOTE]
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