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<blockquote data-quote="Xetheral" data-source="post: 9762362" data-attributes="member: 6802765"><p>In my opinion, this is the weak point in your analysis. While it is true that the Ready action doesn't use the same "[a]s part of the same action" language as Divine Intervention, there are other abilities that don't use that language but which nevertheless allow spellcasting as part of another action. In particular, War Magic and Improved War Magic let you cast a spell "[w]hen you take the Attack action on your turn" (in place of one or more attacks) and the Valor Bard's Extra Attack lets you cast a spell "in addition" "[w]henever you take the Attack action on your turn" (also in lieu of an attack). Thus, I think it is unwarranted to conclude that casting a spell isn't part of the Ready action just because it doesn't use the same language as Divine Intervention.</p><p></p><p>Indeed, because the Ready action uses very similar language to War Magic and Improved Magic, the language used arguably better supports the <em>opposite</em> conclusion, that casting a spell <em>is</em> part of the Ready action. Specifically, the text of the Ready action states: "[w]hen you Ready a spell, you cast it as normal...," which is very similar to War Magic and Improved War Magic letting you cast a spell "[w]hen you take the Attack action." Sure, the language isn't an exact match, but it's very close.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I think it's much more straightforward to take "[w]hen you Ready a spell, you cast it as normal" at face value. The text outright says you cast the spell when you Ready it, and you (necessarily) Ready a spell by taking the Ready action. Ergo, you cast the spell by taking the Ready action. About as simple and straightforward as it gets.</p><p></p><p>By contrast, your reading of "[w]hen you Ready a spell, you cast it as normal" requires reading the text to implicitly allow an exception to the action economy rules (beyond what the Ready action already involves) to permit (and require) a character readying a spell to take both the Ready action and the Magic action in addition to a Reaction, via an argument that invokes the casting time rules. Sure, you've demonstrated that your reading of the text is plausible, but I certainly can't agree that it's the most straightforward! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Xetheral, post: 9762362, member: 6802765"] In my opinion, this is the weak point in your analysis. While it is true that the Ready action doesn't use the same "[a]s part of the same action" language as Divine Intervention, there are other abilities that don't use that language but which nevertheless allow spellcasting as part of another action. In particular, War Magic and Improved War Magic let you cast a spell "[w]hen you take the Attack action on your turn" (in place of one or more attacks) and the Valor Bard's Extra Attack lets you cast a spell "in addition" "[w]henever you take the Attack action on your turn" (also in lieu of an attack). Thus, I think it is unwarranted to conclude that casting a spell isn't part of the Ready action just because it doesn't use the same language as Divine Intervention. Indeed, because the Ready action uses very similar language to War Magic and Improved Magic, the language used arguably better supports the [I]opposite[/I] conclusion, that casting a spell [I]is[/I] part of the Ready action. Specifically, the text of the Ready action states: "[w]hen you Ready a spell, you cast it as normal...," which is very similar to War Magic and Improved War Magic letting you cast a spell "[w]hen you take the Attack action." Sure, the language isn't an exact match, but it's very close. I think it's much more straightforward to take "[w]hen you Ready a spell, you cast it as normal" at face value. The text outright says you cast the spell when you Ready it, and you (necessarily) Ready a spell by taking the Ready action. Ergo, you cast the spell by taking the Ready action. About as simple and straightforward as it gets. By contrast, your reading of "[w]hen you Ready a spell, you cast it as normal" requires reading the text to implicitly allow an exception to the action economy rules (beyond what the Ready action already involves) to permit (and require) a character readying a spell to take both the Ready action and the Magic action in addition to a Reaction, via an argument that invokes the casting time rules. Sure, you've demonstrated that your reading of the text is plausible, but I certainly can't agree that it's the most straightforward! :) [/QUOTE]
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