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<blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 9763790" data-attributes="member: 7030563"><p>You earlier claimed that "release the energy" which is what is readied in response to the trigger "finished" the Magic action. Meaning the action is not "finished" if that does not happen.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Read the Rules! This is absolutely 100% not true. The text clearly says you "cast the spell" when you Ready a spell. So anything that happens when you cast a spell, other than the effects of the spell itself happens then when you cast it, not when the trigger happens. For example:</p><p></p><p>PHB page 172: <em>Arcane Ward ..... Whenever you<u> <strong>cast an Abjuration spell</strong></u> with a spell slot, the ward regains a number of Hit Points equal to twice the level of the spell slot. </em></p><p></p><p>PHB page 65: <em>Beguiling Magic ....In addition, i<strong><u>mmediately after you cast an Enchantment or Illusion spell </u></strong>using a spell slot, you can cause a creature you can see within 60 feet of yourself to make a Wisdom saving throw against your spell save DC ....</em></p><p></p><p>PHB page 67: <em>Battle Magic ... <strong><u>After you cast a spell that has a casting time of an action,</u></strong> you can make one attack with a weapon as a Bonus Action.</em></p><p></p><p>PHB page 149: <em>Wild Magic Surge .... Once per turn, you can roll 1d20<strong><u> immediately after you cast a Sorcerer spell </u></strong>with a spell slot. If you roll a 20, roll on the Wild Magic Surge table to create a magical effect ....</em></p><p></p><p>PHB Page 173<em>: Expert Divination ... <strong><u>When you cast a Divination spell</u></strong> using a level 2+ spell slot, you regain one expended spell slot.</em></p><p></p><p>PHB page 211: <em>Free Casting. <strong><u>Whenever you cast a spell</u></strong> with a level 1–4 spell slot, roll 1d4. If the number you roll is the same as the slot’s level, the slot isn’t expended.</em></p><p></p><p>All of these things happen when you "cast" the spell, which is clearly on your turn when you ready a spell, not when you release the energy. So yes you wiggle your fingers, recite the verbal components, "cast" the spell and any of these applicable things happen. Then you release the spell itself on the trigger, or not; if you don't want to, if you use your reaction for something else, if you lose or chose to end concentration before the trigger happening. But in all these cases the spell has been cast.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ECMO3, post: 9763790, member: 7030563"] You earlier claimed that "release the energy" which is what is readied in response to the trigger "finished" the Magic action. Meaning the action is not "finished" if that does not happen. Read the Rules! This is absolutely 100% not true. The text clearly says you "cast the spell" when you Ready a spell. So anything that happens when you cast a spell, other than the effects of the spell itself happens then when you cast it, not when the trigger happens. For example: PHB page 172: [I]Arcane Ward ..... Whenever you[U] [B]cast an Abjuration spell[/B][/U] with a spell slot, the ward regains a number of Hit Points equal to twice the level of the spell slot. [/I] PHB page 65: [I]Beguiling Magic ....In addition, i[B][U]mmediately after you cast an Enchantment or Illusion spell [/U][/B]using a spell slot, you can cause a creature you can see within 60 feet of yourself to make a Wisdom saving throw against your spell save DC ....[/I] PHB page 67: [I]Battle Magic ... [B][U]After you cast a spell that has a casting time of an action,[/U][/B] you can make one attack with a weapon as a Bonus Action.[/I] PHB page 149: [I]Wild Magic Surge .... Once per turn, you can roll 1d20[B][U] immediately after you cast a Sorcerer spell [/U][/B]with a spell slot. If you roll a 20, roll on the Wild Magic Surge table to create a magical effect ....[/I] PHB Page 173[I]: Expert Divination ... [B][U]When you cast a Divination spell[/U][/B] using a level 2+ spell slot, you regain one expended spell slot.[/I] PHB page 211: [I]Free Casting. [B][U]Whenever you cast a spell[/U][/B] with a level 1–4 spell slot, roll 1d4. If the number you roll is the same as the slot’s level, the slot isn’t expended.[/I] All of these things happen when you "cast" the spell, which is clearly on your turn when you ready a spell, not when you release the energy. So yes you wiggle your fingers, recite the verbal components, "cast" the spell and any of these applicable things happen. Then you release the spell itself on the trigger, or not; if you don't want to, if you use your reaction for something else, if you lose or chose to end concentration before the trigger happening. But in all these cases the spell has been cast. [/QUOTE]
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