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<blockquote data-quote="GnomeWorks" data-source="post: 9513514" data-attributes="member: 162">It's hard to have a conversation on this topic without acknowledging the difference between the two.I was specifically thinking of recording movies shown on TV when I was a kid -- access wasn't an aspect I was considering, by virtue of that being the only example I was thinking of.So yes, legal access to the media you're copying would be a requisite for it to be ... legal. I'm not sold on the notion that that's a requirement for it to be morally okay, because copying something isn't necessarily theft.I absolutely would download a car.During the course of getting my MS in Data Science, I attended a talk given by some C-level exec from TGI Friday's. The level of... detail of data this man wanted to collect on his customers, and the accompanying plans to acquire said data, led me later that evening to ask some of my fellow students, in all earnestness, if our field was literally evil.That was six years ago. The tools are more advanced, the storage is bigger, the processing faster.The amount of data being harvested is probably literally imcomprehensible to a human mind. That a good portion of it is being acquired from individuals who signed up for services with torturously-worded user agreements and whatnot -- whether those are legal or not is irrelevant, they are evil.That's... I mean, yes, the mouse is a jerk, but that was kind of just a casual way to reference the vibe from Industrial Society and Its Future, y'know? The whole of modern media... everybody sucks.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="GnomeWorks, post: 9513514, member: 162"] It's hard to have a conversation on this topic without acknowledging the difference between the two. I was specifically thinking of recording movies shown on TV when I was a kid -- access wasn't an aspect I was considering, by virtue of that being the only example I was thinking of. So yes, legal access to the media you're copying would be a requisite for it to be ... legal. I'm not sold on the notion that that's a requirement for it to be morally okay, because copying something isn't necessarily theft. I absolutely would download a car. During the course of getting my MS in Data Science, I attended a talk given by some C-level exec from TGI Friday's. The level of... detail of data this man wanted to collect on his customers, and the accompanying plans to acquire said data, led me later that evening to ask some of my fellow students, in all earnestness, if our field was literally evil. That was six years ago. The tools are more advanced, the storage is bigger, the processing faster. The amount of data being harvested is probably literally imcomprehensible to a human mind. That a good portion of it is being acquired from individuals who signed up for services with torturously-worded user agreements and whatnot -- whether those are legal or not is irrelevant, they are [i]evil[/i]. That's... I mean, yes, the mouse is a jerk, but that was kind of just a casual way to reference the vibe from [i]Industrial Society and Its Future[/i], y'know? The whole of modern media... everybody sucks. [/QUOTE]

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