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<blockquote data-quote="Jfdlsjfd" data-source="post: 9518419" data-attributes="member: 42856">Indeed. I feel there is a confusion between value, as determined by the market, ie, the price at which a transaction is done between a buyer and a seller, and the price the person that takes 10 hours to create an image would expect to sell. Let's say that the person excepts to earn 15 € per hour (he's living in Luxembourg and wants the minimum houly wage). His selling price is 150 € for the image. But if there is noone no buy it, because (a) they replace him with artists accepting to work for below minimum wage because they are from another country like the US where you can get the same image made for 50 $ (b) they replace him with a free computer program, getting the image for the cost of electricity running the program for seconds (like 5 cents), then the market value for his image isn't 150 €. The transaction just doesn't happen and the image isn't sold.Or if the local law determines that society is better served by not extending copyright protection to training AI. The goal of the TDM exceptions laws, and the project by the EU commission to gather a database of pictures present in all European museums, or release photos under CC for commercial training purpose are all adequate alternatives. Same if say, the Chinese government asks every art teacher in China to create 10 images on their free time to train an AI (given the population of China, it's probably enough).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Jfdlsjfd, post: 9518419, member: 42856"] Indeed. I feel there is a confusion between value, as determined by the market, ie, the price at which a transaction is done between a buyer and a seller, and the price the person that takes 10 hours to create an image would expect to sell. Let's say that the person excepts to earn 15 € per hour (he's living in Luxembourg and wants the minimum houly wage). His selling price is 150 € for the image. But if there is noone no buy it, because (a) they replace him with artists accepting to work for below minimum wage because they are from another country like the US where you can get the same image made for 50 $ (b) they replace him with a free computer program, getting the image for the cost of electricity running the program for seconds (like 5 cents), then the market value for his image isn't 150 €. The transaction just doesn't happen and the image isn't sold. Or if the local law determines that society is better served by not extending copyright protection to training AI. The goal of the TDM exceptions laws, and the project by the EU commission to gather a database of pictures present in all European museums, or release photos under CC for commercial training purpose are all adequate alternatives. Same if say, the Chinese government asks every art teacher in China to create 10 images on their free time to train an AI (given the population of China, it's probably enough). [/QUOTE]

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