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Using battlemaster maneuvers and sharpshooter damage with seeking arrow
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<blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 8699240" data-attributes="member: 7030563"><p>I am playing an Arane Archer who has battlemaster maneuvers through Superior Technique and Martial Adept feat. The character also has sharpshooter feat.</p><p></p><p>Seeking Arrow is part of an attack but it uses a save instead of an attack roll. The description even calls it an attack:</p><p></p><p><strong><em>Seeking Arrow.</em></strong><em> Using divination magic, you grant your arrow the ability to seek out your target, allowing the arrow to curve and twist its path in search of its prey. When you use this option, you don’t make an attack roll for <strong><u><span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">the attack</span></u></strong>. Instead, choose one creature you have seen in the past minute. The arrow flies toward that creature, moving around corners if necessary and ignoring three-quarters cover and half cover. If the target is within the weapon’s range and there is a path large enough for the arrow to travel to the target, the target must make a Dexterity saving throw. On a failed save, it takes damage </em><span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)"><em><strong><u>as if it were hit by the arrow</u></strong></em></span><em>, plus an extra 1d6 force damage, and you learn the target’s current location. On a successful save, the target takes half as much damage, and you don’t learn its location.</em></p><p></p><p>Most battlemaster maneuvers (specifically concerned with menacing attack and pushing attack) state they are used <em>"when you<span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)"> <u><strong>hit</strong></u></span> a creature with a <u><span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)"><strong>weapon attack</strong></span></u>" - </em>This is a weapon attack, and the creature takes damage "as if it were hit" but you don't actually "hit" the creture with it, so I think maneuvers would not work with seeking arrow (but would work with most other arcane shots).</p><p></p><p>Sharpshooter states: "<em><span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)"><u><strong>Before</strong></u><strong><u> you make an attack</u></strong></span> with a ranged weapon that you are proficient with, you can choose to take a -5 penalty to the attack roll.<strong><u><span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)"> If that attack hits</span></u></strong>, you add <u><strong><span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">+10 to the attack's damage.</span></strong></u>" - </em>I think this does work. You choose to use this before you make an attack, so <em>"I am choosing the -5 penalty</em>", then instead of rolling for the attack you use seeking arrow and the enemy takes all that damage as if he was hit plus 1d6 force (or half with a save). I think this is similar to using this with portent.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>What do the other rules lawyers say?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ECMO3, post: 8699240, member: 7030563"] I am playing an Arane Archer who has battlemaster maneuvers through Superior Technique and Martial Adept feat. The character also has sharpshooter feat. Seeking Arrow is part of an attack but it uses a save instead of an attack roll. The description even calls it an attack: [B][I]Seeking Arrow.[/I][/B][I] Using divination magic, you grant your arrow the ability to seek out your target, allowing the arrow to curve and twist its path in search of its prey. When you use this option, you don’t make an attack roll for [B][U][COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]the attack[/COLOR][/U][/B]. Instead, choose one creature you have seen in the past minute. The arrow flies toward that creature, moving around corners if necessary and ignoring three-quarters cover and half cover. If the target is within the weapon’s range and there is a path large enough for the arrow to travel to the target, the target must make a Dexterity saving throw. On a failed save, it takes damage [/I][COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)][I][B][U]as if it were hit by the arrow[/U][/B][/I][/COLOR][I], plus an extra 1d6 force damage, and you learn the target’s current location. On a successful save, the target takes half as much damage, and you don’t learn its location.[/I] Most battlemaster maneuvers (specifically concerned with menacing attack and pushing attack) state they are used [I]"when you[COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)] [U][B]hit[/B][/U][/COLOR] a creature with a [U][COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)][B]weapon attack[/B][/COLOR][/U]" - [/I]This is a weapon attack, and the creature takes damage "as if it were hit" but you don't actually "hit" the creture with it, so I think maneuvers would not work with seeking arrow (but would work with most other arcane shots). Sharpshooter states: "[I][COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)][U][B]Before[/B][/U][B][U] you make an attack[/U][/B][/COLOR] with a ranged weapon that you are proficient with, you can choose to take a -5 penalty to the attack roll.[B][U][COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)] If that attack hits[/COLOR][/U][/B], you add [U][B][COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]+10 to the attack's damage.[/COLOR][/B][/U]" - [/I]I think this does work. You choose to use this before you make an attack, so [I]"I am choosing the -5 penalty[/I]", then instead of rolling for the attack you use seeking arrow and the enemy takes all that damage as if he was hit plus 1d6 force (or half with a save). I think this is similar to using this with portent. What do the other rules lawyers say? [/QUOTE]
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