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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tyrol" data-source="post: 1948494" data-attributes="member: 18213">Regarding my original question about what kind of action a Bluff to create a diversion to hide takes, I discovered that it is a bit more clear than I had thought. Not sure how I overlooked that.    <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/nervous.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":heh:" title="Nervous Laugh    :heh:" data-shortname=":heh:" /> <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f631.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":o" title="Eek!    :o"  data-smilie="9"data-shortname=":o" /> Sorry!Is there any way in the RAW to create a diversion to hide as a move action (or part of a move action)?What if a character has the Improved Feint feat, that allows Feinting to be performed as a move action? Could he use Bluff and Improved Feint to create a diversion to hide as a move action (and thus Hide as part of the move action too)?  Or what about the Uncanny Feint ability of an Invisible Blade?The two uses of bluff in combat (as a fient or to create a diversion to hide) are very similar.  The only difference in mechanism seems to be that a Feint check provides the opposer with a BAB bonus.  Assuming the RAW is not definitive, would it be unreasonable to conclude that:A) the Improved Feint feat can be used for diversions, but only if the standard check applicable to Feints is used (Bluff + d20 against Sense Motive + BAB + d20, rather than the normal Bluff + d20 vs Sense motive + d20)  - (Would this be a reasonable DM judgement call from an ambiguous RAW? or house hule?)B) Create a feat that would likely be called 'Improved Diversion to Hide' that would allow it to be performed as part of a move action. (this would likely be a house rule)Anyone have thoughts on this or insight regarding my above questions? (or links to another discussion - ideally with a good conclusion, but I realize that isn't always possible  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> ).  I did find <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forums/showthread.php?t=113014" target="_blank">this thread</a> discussing shadowdancers, HiPS, and spring attack.  While it answers quite a few of my questions and highlights the fact that hiding and meleeing does not seem clear in the RAW, it doesn't cover everything.Thanks,Tyrol</blockquote>

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