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<blockquote data-quote="Zogg" data-source="post: 923119" data-attributes="member: 12133">I'm going to have to side with Dragon Child here. Remember guys, this feat is focused on only 1 school of magic and only greatly benefits wizards or clerics with an extremely high charisma score and a mediocre INT/WIS. I would hardly call that unbalancing.The reason I would take it is because my cleric of Sune (CHA 18, WIS 16) can, as a charm domain ability, raise her CHA by 4 for 1 minute each day. This would give her an effective CHA of 22 - which would give her Enchantment spells a MUCH better DC than a 16 WIS would. It would be nice if her Enchantment DCs could reap the benefit. That's all I'm asking. Let's look at what this feat does for her in number terms for a 16 WIS and 18 CHA cleric:Hold Person (2nd level spell)-No feat:&nbsp;DC = 10+2(spell level)+3(WIS) = 15 DC-Innate Charmer Feat&nbsp;DC= 10+2(spell level)+4(CHA)+1(feat) = 17 DC-Charm domain ability and Innate Charmer Feat *remember this will only be for 1 minute each day*&nbsp;DC= 10+2(spell level)+4(CHA) +1(feat)+2(domain ability) = 19DCSo NORMALLY there will be a +2 DC difference - making it a questionable choice when compared to the regular Spell Focus feat. However, for those clerics/wizards that either a) have a high charisma or b) are able to really boost up their charisma (perhaps even by a potion of charisma) this feat CAN mean the difference between a held enemy and one that can decapitate you. So this feat CAN be valuable, but it's hardly unbalancing.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Zogg, post: 923119, member: 12133"] I'm going to have to side with Dragon Child here. Remember guys, this feat is focused on only 1 school of magic and only greatly benefits wizards or clerics with an extremely high charisma score and a mediocre INT/WIS. I would hardly call that unbalancing. The reason I would take it is because my cleric of Sune (CHA 18, WIS 16) can, as a charm domain ability, raise her CHA by 4 for 1 minute each day. This would give her an effective CHA of 22 - which would give her Enchantment spells a MUCH better DC than a 16 WIS would. It would be nice if her Enchantment DCs could reap the benefit. That's all I'm asking. Let's look at what this feat does for her in number terms for a 16 WIS and 18 CHA cleric: Hold Person (2nd level spell) -No feat: DC = 10+2(spell level)+3(WIS) = 15 DC -Innate Charmer Feat DC= 10+2(spell level)+4(CHA)+1(feat) = 17 DC -Charm domain ability and Innate Charmer Feat *remember this will only be for 1 minute each day* DC= 10+2(spell level)+4(CHA) +1(feat)+2(domain ability) = 19DC So NORMALLY there will be a +2 DC difference - making it a questionable choice when compared to the regular Spell Focus feat. However, for those clerics/wizards that either a) have a high charisma or b) are able to really boost up their charisma (perhaps even by a potion of charisma) this feat CAN mean the difference between a held enemy and one that can decapitate you. So this feat CAN be valuable, but it's hardly unbalancing. [/QUOTE]

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