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<blockquote data-quote="Glyfair" data-source="post: 2770328" data-attributes="member: 53">Well, overall I'd say it does go past &quot;thoughts&quot; and into &quot;beliefs.&quot;&nbsp; In the bartending killing his wife, if the bartender thought it was the proper thing to do (illegal thing, but proper), then he's evil.&nbsp; If he's constantly thinking about doing good deeds, believes that doing the good deeds is the right thing to do, but just is lacking on the execution part, then he would be good based on that.&nbsp; Of course, the sticking point with alignment as a whole is when you have ambigious characters.&nbsp; What if both paragraphs above are true?&nbsp; He believes killing his wife is right, and he believes that doing good deeds is right.Keith has another situation (yeah, I keep bringing them up, but alignment issues are often discussed about Eberron) about an evil cleric of the Silver Flame&nbsp; (very good church, organizatinal like the Catholic Church in some ways).&nbsp; He strongly believes in many key tenets of the church, particularly defeating evil.&nbsp; However, in his opinion, killing an entire village to be sure that an evil lycanthrope is destroyed, for example. Now, Keith's take is that this is an evil cleric (the discussion is about how you can be an evil person worshipping a good religion, but still meeting the requirements of believing in that religion).&nbsp; Still, I see this could be considered a complicated situation to argue.&nbsp; He believes in doing good things, but by evil means.&nbsp; What alignment is that?Still, the original poster was looking for reasons to limit the paladin using his ability on everyone.&nbsp; Limiting it's use to &quot;detect the villian&quot; or &quot;detect enemies,&quot; is one legitiamte way of doing this.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Glyfair, post: 2770328, member: 53"] Well, overall I'd say it does go past "thoughts" and into "beliefs." In the bartending killing his wife, if the bartender thought it was the proper thing to do (illegal thing, but proper), then he's evil. If he's constantly thinking about doing good deeds, believes that doing the good deeds is the right thing to do, but just is lacking on the execution part, then he would be good based on that. Of course, the sticking point with alignment as a whole is when you have ambigious characters. What if both paragraphs above are true? He believes killing his wife is right, and he believes that doing good deeds is right. Keith has another situation (yeah, I keep bringing them up, but alignment issues are often discussed about Eberron) about an evil cleric of the Silver Flame (very good church, organizatinal like the Catholic Church in some ways). He strongly believes in many key tenets of the church, particularly defeating evil. However, in his opinion, killing an entire village to be sure that an evil lycanthrope is destroyed, for example. Now, Keith's take is that this is an evil cleric (the discussion is about how you can be an evil person worshipping a good religion, but still meeting the requirements of believing in that religion). Still, I see this could be considered a complicated situation to argue. He believes in doing good things, but by evil means. What alignment is that? Still, the original poster was looking for reasons to limit the paladin using his ability on everyone. Limiting it's use to "detect the villian" or "detect enemies," is one legitiamte way of doing this. [/QUOTE]

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