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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 9677472" data-attributes="member: 7030563">Exactly, This is really the perfect analogy!I ride buses and I cross the street with buses, I drive on roads with busses and when I was deployed overseas I actually drove a bus myself.We live in a world with busses, those busses sometimes are in accidents, but most peoples lives are not ruined or even impacted by buses hitting someone and people don't arrange where they go or how they live their lives because people have been hit by a bus.Getting hit by a bus is bad when it happens, but it happens very, rarely and as such does not affect the vast majority of people who live in the world with bussesThis is not true.  If you have 4 players using the RAW method of generation, 76% of the time at least one of them will roll a 17+ (before bonuses) and there is a 60% chance someone will have a 14 or lower as their highest score.  The chance of both of those things happening in the same game (one PC with a 17/18 in one or more abilities and one PC with a 14 or below in every ability) is 42% or a little less than half the games overall.  That chance goes up with more than 4 players.So if you play a lot of D&D with players rolling abilities RAW you are going to see it frequently. Yes but this is exactly the point, when it happens,.  I have said in some games with ability imbalance it happens, people here report it so I know the problem exists, just like I know people get hit by busses even though I have never been hit.  But it does not happen to most tables who have a PC with high abilities, just like getting hit by a bus does not happen to most people who drive on roads with busses.  This is exactly my point!Further what I take issue with is it is "the overwhelming tendency" or there "insane amounts of widespread evidence" of it occurring often.  Getting hit by a bus is a problem when you get hit, but there is not an "overwhelming tendency" to get hit by a bus and it does not occur often.I believe I am in the majority of players who play in games where people roll and have widespread differences but don't see a significant impact in who has a "starring role", just like I am in the majority of drivers who drive on roads with busses and have not been hit by one of them.No it isn't.  You say this is "always" something that either causes players to feel underpowered or makes the DM work more.Yet I have pointed out a game I am DMing right now where this is not happening and in fact I started this thread about that very game.  I am not working harder because of this and one of the underpowered players IS the 'star' in that game despite TWO PCs having much better abilities.  How can you say this "always" happens when I am telling you it isn't happening in a game I am in right now? Further as I stated, player personality is the biggest driver by far of who is the "star" player.Side Note:  Ironically my wife, before we were dating, did actually get hit by a Greyhound bus in 1993.  It ruined her Ford Escort, but luckily no one was injured.  So she actually does have experience getting hit by a bus, even though I don't personally.</blockquote>

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