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<blockquote data-quote="Menexenus" data-source="post: 2892691" data-attributes="member: 8951">Thanks for the suggestion, Li.&nbsp; I agree that performing one of these checks should take longer than 6 seconds, so I will definitely consider how long such a check should take.&nbsp; (15 minutes seems reasonable.)&nbsp; But I have little doubt that the player I have in mind would simply grab the body and spend 5 hours of down time looking at it to allow himself to Take 20.Jack's solution might work, but I'm not sure I can justify why there are no retries.&nbsp; After all, you would know whether you found the cause of death or not, and you don't &quot;use up&quot; the body when you do the Heal check/investigation.&nbsp; So it seems that retries should be allowed.Jdvn1: Is what my friend does with the Heal skill &quot;game-breaking&quot;?&nbsp; Well, no, I guess not.&nbsp; It just doesn't seem very &quot;realistic&quot; to me.&nbsp; It seems to me that, by allowing this use of the Heal skill, we are imposing our 20th century scientific worldview on a medieval-based fictional fantasy society.&nbsp; Because of our modern viewpoint, *we* (as players) know that there is evidence there to be found for those who are willing to do a detailed autopsy.&nbsp; I'm not sure that such an idea should/would occur to someone (like our characters) who live before the advent of modern medical science.&nbsp; I don't know...&nbsp; Maybe I could be making a mountain out of a molehill.&nbsp; (Wouldn't be the first time...)&nbsp; But that's why I started the thread - to find out what others think.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Menexenus, post: 2892691, member: 8951"] Thanks for the suggestion, Li. I agree that performing one of these checks should take longer than 6 seconds, so I will definitely consider how long such a check should take. (15 minutes seems reasonable.) But I have little doubt that the player I have in mind would simply grab the body and spend 5 hours of down time looking at it to allow himself to Take 20. Jack's solution might work, but I'm not sure I can justify why there are no retries. After all, you would know whether you found the cause of death or not, and you don't "use up" the body when you do the Heal check/investigation. So it seems that retries should be allowed. Jdvn1: Is what my friend does with the Heal skill "game-breaking"? Well, no, I guess not. It just doesn't seem very "realistic" to me. It seems to me that, by allowing this use of the Heal skill, we are imposing our 20th century scientific worldview on a medieval-based fictional fantasy society. Because of our modern viewpoint, *we* (as players) know that there is evidence there to be found for those who are willing to do a detailed autopsy. I'm not sure that such an idea should/would occur to someone (like our characters) who live before the advent of modern medical science. I don't know... Maybe I could be making a mountain out of a molehill. (Wouldn't be the first time...) But that's why I started the thread - to find out what others think. [/QUOTE]

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