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<blockquote data-quote="Rikandur Azebol" data-source="post: 5245443" data-attributes="member: 21755">Heh. I were forcing my players to abadon HP and treat damage in Mutants&amp;Masterminds style for a while. Initially they complained a lot. And yes, they are 4ed skeptics up to include one disliker and one hater. U_K likes 4ed, a sentiment I, while admiring His hard work and great concepts, do not share. To me 4ed is a bit too MMORPGish. Seen it, played it, bored with it. Thus my similiar treatment of 4ed.Thus, why not agree to disagree ? People ... if You want 3,5 stuff from U_K jou should help Him somewhat, not whine. Unfortuantely Reality have it's Abrogate firmly aimed at U_K so don't expects Miracles happening. Make them. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f60e.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":cool:" title="Cool&nbsp; &nbsp; :cool:"&nbsp; data-smilie="6"data-shortname=":cool:" />As for the really important question.T-800, without weapons CR 8-10. I imagine this guy to be nigh-unstoppable without advanced firepower. Weaker fireballs wouldn't hurt it too. With futuristic weapons it is used to ? ... holy cow. +3 CR at least.T-1000, CR 14-16 since it is nearly indestructible. Would take multiple disintigrate spells to take down. Melting it down would take empowered &amp; maximised firewall and irritiatingly long time, at the wery least.T-X, meh ... easier to damage than T-1000 but clearly superior in innate weaponry. 14-18 CR i think. It's plasma gun would take out wizards easily ... and then it would start getting ugly for party.Godzilla ... that's a monster ! I remember my wicked players transdimensional-porting it to Middle Earth campaign world. Just to get rid of it and second monster that were in a middle of sumo match in the center of some poor random city. And these fiends nicknamed it Hungrilla, for dragon-devouring habits.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Rikandur Azebol, post: 5245443, member: 21755"] Heh. I were forcing my players to abadon HP and treat damage in Mutants&Masterminds style for a while. Initially they complained a lot. And yes, they are 4ed skeptics up to include one disliker and one hater. U_K likes 4ed, a sentiment I, while admiring His hard work and great concepts, do not share. To me 4ed is a bit too MMORPGish. Seen it, played it, bored with it. Thus my similiar treatment of 4ed. Thus, why not agree to disagree ? People ... if You want 3,5 stuff from U_K jou should help Him somewhat, not whine. Unfortuantely Reality have it's Abrogate firmly aimed at U_K so don't expects Miracles happening. [I]Make[/I] them. :cool: As for the really important question. T-800, without weapons CR 8-10. I imagine this guy to be nigh-unstoppable without advanced firepower. Weaker fireballs wouldn't hurt it too. With futuristic weapons it is used to ? ... holy cow. +3 CR at least. T-1000, CR 14-16 since it is nearly indestructible. Would take multiple [I]disintigrate[/I] spells to take down. Melting it down would take [I]empowered & maximised firewall[/I] and irritiatingly long time, at the wery least. T-X, meh ... easier to damage than T-1000 but clearly superior in innate weaponry. 14-18 CR i think. It's plasma gun would take out wizards easily ... and then it would start getting ugly for party. Godzilla ... that's a monster ! I remember my wicked players transdimensional-porting it to Middle Earth campaign world. Just to get rid of it and second monster that were in a middle of sumo match in the center of some poor random city. And these fiends nicknamed it Hungrilla, for dragon-devouring habits. [/QUOTE]

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