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<blockquote data-quote="Belzamus" data-source="post: 5252328" data-attributes="member: 61612">The only other thing I'd like to mention on the issue is that the argument that role-playing in 4E is no different than in 3.x could be just as easily used with a game I used to play as a young boy, called &quot;Make Believe&quot;.Simply put, in 3.x, you had more information about how your character could interact with the setting, both in and out of combat, and had to rely far less on the whims of the DM to decide what you could and could not do. To me, it seems like with 4E, you have two games really. Something in the vein of Champions of Norrath, and what basically amounts to &quot;Make Believe with a referee&quot; being run at the same time.But, as I've said before, It's never been an issue I'm too terribly invested in. The fact that my DnD-playing days are largely behind me accounts more for my lack 4E-love, than anything else.Edit- just an addendum, the difference that I see is that &quot;Make Believe with a referee&quot; in 3.x, the referee had a rulebook to base his decisions on, one which the players were intimately acquainted with. In 4E, it's just...whatever sounds good to him; you don't like it, Rule 0.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Belzamus, post: 5252328, member: 61612"] The only other thing I'd like to mention on the issue is that the argument that role-playing in 4E is no different than in 3.x could be just as easily used with a game I used to play as a young boy, called "Make Believe". Simply put, in 3.x, you had more information about how your character could interact with the setting, both in and out of combat, and had to rely far less on the whims of the DM to decide what you could and could not do. To me, it seems like with 4E, you have two games really. Something in the vein of Champions of Norrath, and what basically amounts to "Make Believe with a referee" being run at the same time. But, as I've said before, It's never been an issue I'm too terribly invested in. The fact that my DnD-playing days are largely behind me accounts more for my lack 4E-love, than anything else. Edit- just an addendum, the difference that I see is that "Make Believe with a referee" in 3.x, the referee had a rulebook to base his decisions on, one which the players were intimately acquainted with. In 4E, it's just...whatever sounds good to him; you don't like it, Rule 0. [/QUOTE]

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