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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Rikandur Azebol" data-source="post: 5254157" data-attributes="member: 21755">Wizard vs Fighter ? Smart one wins. Shesh ... I remember stomping archmages with my 13 lvl wizard during 2ed just because he learned "Antimagic Field" from the scroll. DM was then quite stingy with magical stuff, especially spells wich players were abusing on all possible and impossible ways. For example, my more charismatic guy was alvays paying with "Fool's Gold" to barmaids. Or get free beer using "Charm Person". He was right being stingy, this way we were brainstorming every charge from wand and were agonizing over each potion "wasted". All this because once he let us plunder pre-made module where players had chance to put their dirty paws on instant-kill artefact.<img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/devil.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":devil:" title="Devil    :devil:" data-shortname=":devil:" />U_K ... simply put, when I read flavor of classes from "ToB" and mechanics I started to bleed from my eyes. No match, IMO, between the two. That made me more suspicious towards the 4ed ... and while I do like 4ed Barbarian/Berserker ? Read it once somewhere ...The 4ed Fighter is no-no in my eyes. Personal bias I guess.<img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/erm.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":erm:" title="Erm    :erm:" data-shortname=":erm:" /> Would I be able to remake my character as 4ed fighter ? See for yourself and try, here are his current stats:Jade Flame (CR 106) half-geen dragon paragon human duellist fighter 83N Medium Humanoid (Dragon)Init +88 Perfect Initiative; Senses darkvision 60 ft., Perception+128Languages: Abyssal, Celestial, Draconic,Common, Spirit, Kara-Tur, Elven Dwarven, Auran, Aquan, Ignan, Terran, Orc, Drow Sign Language, Undercommon._______________________________________________AC 265 (+50 Dex, +46 natural, +36 deflection, +36 insight, +91 dodge), touch 219, flat-footed 128hp 5229 (83d20 +3569); Fast Healing 20, Regeneration 40/fire and acid; DR 30/Epic and ChaoticImmune fire, acid, paralysis and sleep;Resist Acid 415, Fire 65; SR 105Fort +113, Ref +154, Will +108;_______________________________________________Speed 360 ft. (72 squares), fly 360 ft. (perfect)Melee +28 Emerald Rage  +196/+196/+196/+196 melee(2d8 +124 slashing +5d3 divine[9-20/x5])  or;Melee Unarmed +158/+158/+158/+158 melee (4d6 + 48 varies [17-20/x5]); Melee +158 touch;Ranged +126 touch;Space 5ft.; Reach 10 ft(90 ft with Emerald Rage);Base Atk +51(+83 with Emerald Rage); CMB +100;Atk Options Leap Attack and various others ;Special Actions Elusive Target and bunch others ;______________________________________________Spell-like Abilities (CL 95h);Just like U_K's hero deity plus Wish 1/year;_______________________________________________Abilities: Str 46, Dex 53(106), Con 48(96), Int 40, Wis 40, Cha 41(82);SQ: Son of Dragon, Powerful Build, Zhentarim Soldier, Duellist Fighter; Feats & Esoteric Abilities: Perfect Body[E]*, Perfect Mind[E]*, Weapon Focus[Jovar], Greater Weapon Focus[Jovar], Weapon Specialization[Jovar], Greater Weapon Specialization[Jovar], Improved Critical[Jovar], Improved Critical Multiplier[Jovar], Slashing Weapon Mastery, Weapon Supermacy[Jovar], Dodge, Mobility, Leap Attack, Elusive Target, Power Attack, Improved Bull Rush, Eclectic Strike, Quick Reconnoiter, Exotic Weapon Proficiency[Jovar], Imperious Command,Hit on the Run, Combat Expertise, Whirlwind Attack, Improved Initiative, Leap of Heavens, Epic Weapon Focus[Jovar], Epic Weapon Specialization[Jovar], Greater Epic Weapon Focus[Jovar], Greater Epic Weapon Specialization[Jovar], Epic Weapon Mastery, Epic Weapon Supermacy[Jovar], Epic Critical[Jovar], Epic Critical Multiplier[Jovar], Dire Charge, Superior Initiative, Iron Will, Good Will, Run, Epic Speed, Improved Dodge, Improved Power Attack, Improved Whirlwind Attack, Power Attack Mastery, Uncanny Power Attack, Cat's Fall, Enlarge Attack, Widen Attack, Fear Aura, Light Eradication, Alertness, Tensegrity, Eclectic Defense, Leadership, Incorruptible Body, Hibernate, Inedia, Haleness, Terrene Body, Fire Baptism, Hindering Strike, Expert Strike, Combat Mastery, Sixth Sense, Supreme Dodge, Improved Combat Mastery, Eclectic Shot, Epic Leadership, Quicken Attack, Armed Deflection, Infinite Deflection, Exceptional Deflection, Reflect Arrow, Epic Reputation, Legendary Commander, Plastic Soul, Force of Personality, Great Intelect, Great Wisdom, Battle Dancer, Pre-Emptive Strike, Quickdraw, Mathesis, Versatile Unarmed Strike, Greater Unarmed Strike, Star Child, Improved Unarmed Strike, Legendary Jumper, Tenacious Body, Subtle Body, Skywalker;Skills[all maxed]: Acrobatics, Bluff, Diplomacy, Intimidate, Knowledge (Planes, Religion, History, Local), Perception, Sense Motive,Stealth, Survival, Craft[Weaponsmith], Escape Artist, Handle Animal, Heal, Ride, Perform[Dance], Profession[Shogun, Sensei, Herbalist];_______________________________________________Organization: Solitary or suspicious cabal ( Jade Flame, Kazar the Demonlord, Archmage  Dark the Son of Azuth, andCasper the Elemental Dragon)Environment: Everywhere ... You don't need him. Except on his own wedding party. Coward.Advancement: 240 HD+ Amidah, 1200 HD+ Omega;Treasure: 452,4 ... millions of gold pieces in various stuff & investments and his Soul Items: "Uncanny Pale Green Ioun Headband" gives Legendary Charisma and competence bonus +15 to skill checks, ability checks, saves and attack rolls;"Legendary Sandals of Speed" give Legendary Dexterity, Disheartening Dodge, Uncanny Dodge, Perfect Weapon Focus[Jovar], Uncanny Weapon Focus[Jovar], Celerity, Perfect Initiative, Dexterous Will[no prerequesities] and Self-Mastery;"Legendary Belt of Health" give Legendary Constitution, Exoskeleton, Regeneration(Fire,Acid), Fire Absorbtion, Superior Critical [Jovar], Superior Critical Multiplier[Jovar], Threatening Critical, Dexterous Fortitude[no prerequesites] and Improved Damage Reduction[Chaotic] ;"Emerald Rage" Green Star metal Large Jovar +28 with Uncanny Whirlwind Attack, Divine Strike, Superior Power Attack, Ghost Touch and Superior Lashing [9]*;_______________________________________________Son of Dragon: loses Claw, Bite and Breath Weapon but gains Powerful Build;Duellist Fighter[Fighter variant]: loses armor & shield proficiences, gains dodge bonus to AC equal to half levels in this class, Uses Dex instead of Str to calculate weapon hit&dmg bonus, at 10 lvl gains Evasion, have Good reflex save, adds Bluff, Acrobatics & Sense Motives as class skills;*extra stuff: Perfect Body & Mind my DM changed to not give inherent bonuses but to maximise basic stat rolls, Superior Lashing is an extension of weapon quality found in U_K's website under the "God of War" review ... basically it multiplies basic weapon range by nine;My DM ruled that Immunity makes You take subduals from energy You are immune to, and You gain automatic energy resistance based on the efffect's power.For example Jade Flame inherited his Acid Immunity from daddy, and thus he gains his HD x5 in Acid Resistance, his Fire Immunity is from 7 lvl spell and CL 13 gives him 65 Fire Resistance.Now other blasphemies:<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />Optimus Prime as CR 13 ? If You mean the robo from NEWEST transformers live movies, then Yes You are right. Otherwise ... I would put him around CR 25, perhaps. Anyways Megatron was better, the old wersion that is; Or smarty Shockwave ... <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/laugh.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing    :lol:" data-shortname=":lol:" />Anyone idea wich ranks assign to Primus & Unicron ?<img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/angel.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":angel:" title="Angel    :angel:" data-shortname=":angel:" /></blockquote>

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