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Using interchangeable power sources for the Sorcerer, Warlock, Paladin and more. (+)
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<blockquote data-quote="Blue" data-source="post: 8682473" data-attributes="member: 20564"><p>The spell lists are both a major differentiator between classes, and part of the class balance. For example Wizards get little in class features but get the largest list and features like preparation and their unique ritual use to leverage that.</p><p></p><p>A class like the cleric where the chassis gives a lot more would end up being a lot more powerful. Compare these two - the d6 HP wizard chassis with few features vs. the d8 HP, armored, cleric class with a good amount of features and the ability to prepare from their entire spell list.</p><p></p><p>Or compare wizard with wizard list to wizard with sorcerer list - it's pretty much a direct downgrade, the sorcerer list is a subset of the wizard list for the most part.</p><p></p><p>The lists are more than just thematic. Allowing other classes to swap them in will change the power levels of the class.</p><p></p><p>So, how can we manage this in a way that will allow thematic changes without nerfing or buffing a class too much.</p><p></p><p>Least work way would be to look at the existing spell lists and put them into categories that can be freely exchanged. The one you were looking at, warlock for druid, probably can be exchanged freely - both have a some unique spells for them that give unique feels, but they aren't particularly huge like the wizard list.</p><p></p><p>Cleric, Druid, Sorcerer, Bard, Warlock - are they in the same category of spell lists or split into more than one? Sorcerer is less spells than something like Bard, but Bard has a lack of variety in so many spells targeting Wisdom and so many of their core spells requiring Concentration.</p><p></p><p>The ranger list and the paladin list are also probably of the same category, smaller than the others. But they don't go to 9th, so I'm not sure how</p><p></p><p>And the wizard is the granddaddy with the biggest and most diverse list, too big to just swap to another class. But we do have a potential fix for the wizard list when we look at the spell lists of the Eldritch Knight and the Arcane Trickster subclasses. They give out two school from the Wizard list. Perhaps swapping out Paladin/Ranger could give three schools, and swapping out higher categories can give out more. This isn't perfect - some schools have lots of spells, and I think some schools don't even have a spell in every level. But it gives us a baseline to play with.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Blue, post: 8682473, member: 20564"] The spell lists are both a major differentiator between classes, and part of the class balance. For example Wizards get little in class features but get the largest list and features like preparation and their unique ritual use to leverage that. A class like the cleric where the chassis gives a lot more would end up being a lot more powerful. Compare these two - the d6 HP wizard chassis with few features vs. the d8 HP, armored, cleric class with a good amount of features and the ability to prepare from their entire spell list. Or compare wizard with wizard list to wizard with sorcerer list - it's pretty much a direct downgrade, the sorcerer list is a subset of the wizard list for the most part. The lists are more than just thematic. Allowing other classes to swap them in will change the power levels of the class. So, how can we manage this in a way that will allow thematic changes without nerfing or buffing a class too much. Least work way would be to look at the existing spell lists and put them into categories that can be freely exchanged. The one you were looking at, warlock for druid, probably can be exchanged freely - both have a some unique spells for them that give unique feels, but they aren't particularly huge like the wizard list. Cleric, Druid, Sorcerer, Bard, Warlock - are they in the same category of spell lists or split into more than one? Sorcerer is less spells than something like Bard, but Bard has a lack of variety in so many spells targeting Wisdom and so many of their core spells requiring Concentration. The ranger list and the paladin list are also probably of the same category, smaller than the others. But they don't go to 9th, so I'm not sure how And the wizard is the granddaddy with the biggest and most diverse list, too big to just swap to another class. But we do have a potential fix for the wizard list when we look at the spell lists of the Eldritch Knight and the Arcane Trickster subclasses. They give out two school from the Wizard list. Perhaps swapping out Paladin/Ranger could give three schools, and swapping out higher categories can give out more. This isn't perfect - some schools have lots of spells, and I think some schools don't even have a spell in every level. But it gives us a baseline to play with. [/QUOTE]
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