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<blockquote data-quote="Vaxalon" data-source="post: 1250484" data-attributes="member: 789"><p>It's not clear, or there wouldn't be an argument.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Don't you?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>So if you build a bomb in the shape of a brightly colored box, that will go off if the big red button on top is pressed, and bring it down to the local day-care center and put it in the pile of toys, it's not an evil act until the child pushes the button?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I don't agree with this statement at all.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Spells don't go off without the intention of the wielder. That's the difference.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Because of the relatively high risk of collateral damage, employing poison when more controllable means are available is reckless and inconsiderate of innocent life. Endangering innocent life is evil. I think the logic is pretty straightforward.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I disagree.</p><p></p><p>As I see it, here's the logical chain:</p><p></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Harming innocent life is evil.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">A tactic that puts innocent life at unnecessary risk is evil.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Using poison is a tactic that puts innocent life at unnecessary risk.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">THEREFORE using poison when less risky tactics are available is evil.</li> </ul><p></p><p>It appears that what you are arguing here is that the second item does not follow from the first. If that is true, then "reckless endangerment" would not be a crime.</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.tndagc.com/tnlaw/juryinst/6_03.htm" target="_blank">http://www.tndagc.com/tnlaw/juryinst/6_03.htm</a></p><p></p><p>I'm not saying that this definition of reckless endangerment always applies to uses of poison. What I'm saying is that even if you don't actually DO any harm, you can do evil just by risking doing harm.</p><p></p><p>I would say that lethal traps also fall into this category, including spells that are "trap-like", in that they are not set off by the direct intention of the wielder.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Vaxalon, post: 1250484, member: 789"] It's not clear, or there wouldn't be an argument. Don't you? So if you build a bomb in the shape of a brightly colored box, that will go off if the big red button on top is pressed, and bring it down to the local day-care center and put it in the pile of toys, it's not an evil act until the child pushes the button? I don't agree with this statement at all. Spells don't go off without the intention of the wielder. That's the difference. Because of the relatively high risk of collateral damage, employing poison when more controllable means are available is reckless and inconsiderate of innocent life. Endangering innocent life is evil. I think the logic is pretty straightforward. I disagree. As I see it, here's the logical chain: [list] [*]Harming innocent life is evil. [*]A tactic that puts innocent life at unnecessary risk is evil. [*]Using poison is a tactic that puts innocent life at unnecessary risk. [*]THEREFORE using poison when less risky tactics are available is evil. [/list] It appears that what you are arguing here is that the second item does not follow from the first. If that is true, then "reckless endangerment" would not be a crime. [url]http://www.tndagc.com/tnlaw/juryinst/6_03.htm[/url] I'm not saying that this definition of reckless endangerment always applies to uses of poison. What I'm saying is that even if you don't actually DO any harm, you can do evil just by risking doing harm. I would say that lethal traps also fall into this category, including spells that are "trap-like", in that they are not set off by the direct intention of the wielder. [/QUOTE]
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