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<blockquote data-quote="Hypersmurf" data-source="post: 1392309" data-attributes="member: 1656"><p>So let's say I have a Dex bonus of +3. I move past the dwarf; he makes an AoO; he misses by 2. I carry on moving... and move past the limit of a double move.</p><p></p><p>"Wait!" says the dwarf. "That means he was running... so he didn't have his Dex bonus! My attack hit! That's 15 damage, plus my Knockdown feat... you're prone!"</p><p></p><p>"Okay," I say. "If I'm prone, then I've only moved 30 feet. I haven't exceeded my double move limit, so I <em>wasn't</em> Running. So your AoO missed, so I'm not prone."</p><p></p><p>See the problem with retroaction?</p><p></p><p>I'm not suggesting you have to specify every detail of your Move action... but you have to state whether you're taking a Move action or a Charge action, when you start to move... not halfway through. Because even that first five feet of movement is performed <em>in a different way</em>.</p><p></p><p>If I'm thirty feet from side-passage off a long corridor, I can either move up to the intersection (Move action) and then decide what I want to do with my Standard action (make another Move action further up the corridor; make a Move action up the side passage; use an Attack action to shoot the orc lurking up the side passage)... or I can decide to Run up the long corridor (Run action). </p><p></p><p>If I'm running, and I see the orc as I pass the side passage, I can stop... but I've used a Full Round action, and can't shoot at him. Because I wasn't hustling, I was <em>Running</em>, and those thirty feet that I moved were covered completely differently to how I would have done it with a Move action.</p><p></p><p>"The orc moves up the corridor."</p><p>"Is he just hustling, or is he running?"</p><p>"You can't tell. You'll have to wait and see if he moves more than sixty feet."</p><p></p><p>Does that really make sense? Can't you look at someone and tell whether they're jogging or running in the space of a few steps?</p><p></p><p>-Hyp.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hypersmurf, post: 1392309, member: 1656"] So let's say I have a Dex bonus of +3. I move past the dwarf; he makes an AoO; he misses by 2. I carry on moving... and move past the limit of a double move. "Wait!" says the dwarf. "That means he was running... so he didn't have his Dex bonus! My attack hit! That's 15 damage, plus my Knockdown feat... you're prone!" "Okay," I say. "If I'm prone, then I've only moved 30 feet. I haven't exceeded my double move limit, so I [i]wasn't[/i] Running. So your AoO missed, so I'm not prone." See the problem with retroaction? I'm not suggesting you have to specify every detail of your Move action... but you have to state whether you're taking a Move action or a Charge action, when you start to move... not halfway through. Because even that first five feet of movement is performed [i]in a different way[/i]. If I'm thirty feet from side-passage off a long corridor, I can either move up to the intersection (Move action) and then decide what I want to do with my Standard action (make another Move action further up the corridor; make a Move action up the side passage; use an Attack action to shoot the orc lurking up the side passage)... or I can decide to Run up the long corridor (Run action). If I'm running, and I see the orc as I pass the side passage, I can stop... but I've used a Full Round action, and can't shoot at him. Because I wasn't hustling, I was [i]Running[/i], and those thirty feet that I moved were covered completely differently to how I would have done it with a Move action. "The orc moves up the corridor." "Is he just hustling, or is he running?" "You can't tell. You'll have to wait and see if he moves more than sixty feet." Does that really make sense? Can't you look at someone and tell whether they're jogging or running in the space of a few steps? -Hyp. [/QUOTE]
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