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<blockquote data-quote="Keenath" data-source="post: 4409020" data-attributes="member: 59792">You can't do that anyway.&nbsp; OOI says you can &quot;designate one creature you have cast a wizard spell upon...&quot; or &quot;...extend the durationof an effect created by a wizard at-will spell...&quot;Even if you can add your orbs +3 to a warlock power, you can't use OOI to bump its save.That said, to the OP:No, you can't mix-n-match implements like that, by the rules as written.&nbsp; The Wizard &quot;Implement&quot; line says, &quot;A wizard wielding a magic orb, staff, or wand can add its enhancement bonus to ... wizard powers ... that have the implement keyword.&quot;The warlock's text reads similarly: &quot;A warlock wielding a magic rod or wand can add its enhancement bonus to ... warlock powers ... that have the implement keyword.&quot;Similarly, Pact Initiate says &quot;you can use a rod, a wand, or a pact blade as an implement when using a warlock power&quot; and Arcane Initiate says&nbsp; &quot;you can use an orb, a staff, or a wand as an implement when using a wizard power&quot;.In neither case can one class use another class's implement on its own powers.&nbsp; Wizard Implement powers require wizard implements; Warlock Implement powers require warlock implements.&nbsp; A multiclass of the two would be well advised to go with a wand.Right.&nbsp; I agree that this is the reason for the ruling, and that you shouldn't houserule around it.For example, consider the Rod of First Blood.&nbsp; It's good for a warlock to deal bonus damage to undamaged creatures.&nbsp; But a wizard who can open combat with a fireball can multiply that damage a huge number of times!*And like Tale says -- it's just adding another layer of possible exploits to the game.* Note that a 'lock with a Dilletante or multiclass feats still couldn't use that method to multiply his damage that, because it says &quot;When you hit a creature ... with an attack using this rod&quot;, and due to the rules I quoted above, you can't use a rod to enhance a fireball, no matter what.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Keenath, post: 4409020, member: 59792"] You can't do that anyway. OOI says you can "designate one creature you have cast a wizard spell upon..." or "...extend the duration of an effect created by a wizard at-will spell..." Even if you can add your orbs +3 to a warlock power, you can't use OOI to bump its save. That said, to the OP: No, you can't mix-n-match implements like that, by the rules as written. The Wizard "Implement" line says, "A wizard wielding a magic orb, staff, or wand can add its enhancement bonus to ... wizard powers ... that have the implement keyword." The warlock's text reads similarly: "A warlock wielding a magic rod or wand can add its enhancement bonus to ... warlock powers ... that have the implement keyword." Similarly, Pact Initiate says "you can use a rod, a wand, or a pact blade as an implement when using a warlock power" and Arcane Initiate says "you can use an orb, a staff, or a wand as an implement when using a wizard power". In neither case can one class use another class's implement on its own powers. Wizard Implement powers require wizard implements; Warlock Implement powers require warlock implements. A multiclass of the two would be well advised to go with a wand. Right. I agree that this is the reason for the ruling, and that you shouldn't houserule around it. For example, consider the Rod of First Blood. It's good for a warlock to deal bonus damage to undamaged creatures. But a wizard who can open combat with a fireball can multiply that damage a huge number of times!* And like Tale says -- it's just adding another layer of possible exploits to the game. * Note that a 'lock with a Dilletante or multiclass feats still couldn't use that method to multiply his damage that, because it says "When you hit a creature ... with an attack using this rod", and due to the rules I quoted above, you can't use a rod to enhance a fireball, no matter what. [/QUOTE]

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