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Message: <blockquote data-quote="iserith" data-source="post: 8471248" data-attributes="member: 97077">Thanks for posting related sections of the rules, but I can see nothing that overrides what I bolded in the quote above.People are free to play how they wish, of course. I see no support at all, however, for uncertainty as to the outcome when it comes to how players respond to attempts to deceive, persuade, or intimidate their characters, given how the rules state clearly that it's up to the player to determine this. No uncertainty, no roll. The player decides.Some DMs may roll to answer the question of "How intimidating is this monster?" instead of "Does the monster intimidate the PC?" but I find this to be outsourcing the DM's role of describing the environment to the dice. There's no need for it in my view.</blockquote>