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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 8472041" data-attributes="member: 23751">Yes.  That bolded is saying that the players can influence the NPCs.  Absolutely.  The DM is the one that calls for a check.No.  You've missed the bolded and underlined.  The PHB is speaking to the player(not the DM) about PCs using skills on NPCs.  Further examples would include the PC trying to persuade a dragon not to eat  him, talk an ogre into attacking some orcs, and so on.If the social skills rules were intended to be used against PCs, there would be one example or statement somewhere in the PHB or DMG.  Just ONE.  There isn't, because they are to be used against NPCs only.The DM can certainly make them work on PCs, but that's not supported by the rules anywhere and every implication is that it isn't intended to happen.</blockquote>