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<blockquote data-quote="iserith" data-source="post: 8472097" data-attributes="member: 97077">It sounds like you could be making an argument for specific beating general. The rule there is that the specific rule must contradict the general rule for the specific rule to apply. I do not see any contradiction here and these rules work hand in glove: A DM can call for ability checks to resolve an attempt to influence someone (page 179). When that someone is a PC, the player decides how the character responds (page 185). If the player is deciding, there is no uncertainty in the adjudication and thus no roll (PHB 174).What it looks like to me is that some folks play a certain way, perhaps having been influenced by other games, and they just assume that's how it works in the D&amp;D 5e rules. It doesn't. This doesn't prevent them from playing as they wish, of course. What's interesting is that everyone seems to agree with the idea that playing how you want is just fine... but tell them it's not supported by the rules and show proof and suddenly it's a problem. What happened to playing how you want regardless of the rules being okay?&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f60f.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":sneaky:" title="Sneaky&nbsp; &nbsp; :sneaky:"&nbsp; data-smilie="21"data-shortname=":sneaky:" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="iserith, post: 8472097, member: 97077"] It sounds like you could be making an argument for specific beating general. The rule there is that the specific rule must contradict the general rule for the specific rule to apply. I do not see any contradiction here and these rules work hand in glove: A DM can call for ability checks to resolve an attempt to influence someone (page 179). When that someone is a PC, the player decides how the character responds (page 185). If the player is deciding, there is no uncertainty in the adjudication and thus no roll (PHB 174). What it looks like to me is that some folks play a certain way, perhaps having been influenced by other games, and they just assume that's how it works in the D&D 5e rules. It doesn't. This doesn't prevent them from playing as they wish, of course. What's interesting is that everyone seems to agree with the idea that playing how you want is just fine... but tell them it's not supported by the rules and show proof and suddenly it's a problem. What happened to playing how you want regardless of the rules being okay? :sneaky: [/QUOTE]

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