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<blockquote data-quote="iserith" data-source="post: 8472398" data-attributes="member: 97077">No, an ability check determines whether or not an action is successful when the outcome is uncertain and there's a meaningful consequence for failure. Those are the rules of the game.The difference between a monster trying to intimidate a PC and a monster trying to recall lore about some arcane subject should be obvious in my view: The attempt to intimidate doesn't have an uncertain outcome because the player gets to say what happens in the face of the intimidation. Thus, no roll. The attempt to recall lore could be uncertain, if the DM decides it is, and thus there may be an ability check here.I have read every one of your posts. I neither like nor dislike your reading of the rules. But what is very obvious is that your reading takes some rules into account, ignores others, and then makes logical leaps that don't follow in what appears to be an attempt at defending a preference that doesn't actually need defending.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="iserith, post: 8472398, member: 97077"] No, an ability check determines whether or not an action is successful when the outcome is uncertain and there's a meaningful consequence for failure. Those are the rules of the game. The difference between a monster trying to intimidate a PC and a monster trying to recall lore about some arcane subject should be obvious in my view: The attempt to intimidate doesn't have an uncertain outcome because the player gets to say what happens in the face of the intimidation. Thus, no roll. The attempt to recall lore could be uncertain, if the DM decides it is, and thus there may be an ability check here. I have read every one of your posts. I neither like nor dislike your reading of the rules. But what is very obvious is that your reading takes some rules into account, ignores others, and then makes logical leaps that don't follow in what appears to be an attempt at defending a preference that doesn't actually need defending. [/QUOTE]

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