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<blockquote data-quote="Vince_Snetterton" data-source="post: 8473232" data-attributes="member: 7033114">I did read the OP before posting. I don't completely understand that mechanic, but fundamentally, as I stated, using social skills of any kind against another player (or NPC) should not be allowed. And yes, I said NPC's as well, since if NPC's can be targeted by players, then players can be targeted by NPC's. That has also been pointed out already. I have a DM that treats Persuasion as the equivalent of Mind Control, which is how CR does it. Even the most ludicrous suggestion will be obeyed by an NPC if the player rolls high enough. Two guards, elite professionals, were guarding a prisoner. Bard rolls a 27 and says &quot;I want to see the prisoner&quot;. DM says OK. Now, in my world, the first part of that Stonetop mechanic would kick in, as there is zero chance of that ever happening, But as soon as you even allow the thinnest of wedges, with that 2nd part of the mechanic (like I said, I don't know what XP represents), a player will say &quot;but I rolled super high, you must do what I say, otherwise it is no fun&quot;.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Vince_Snetterton, post: 8473232, member: 7033114"] I did read the OP before posting. I don't completely understand that mechanic, but fundamentally, as I stated, using social skills of any kind against another player (or NPC) should not be allowed. And yes, I said NPC's as well, since if NPC's can be targeted by players, then players can be targeted by NPC's. That has also been pointed out already. I have a DM that treats Persuasion as the equivalent of Mind Control, which is how CR does it. Even the most ludicrous suggestion will be obeyed by an NPC if the player rolls high enough. Two guards, elite professionals, were guarding a prisoner. Bard rolls a 27 and says "I want to see the prisoner". DM says OK. Now, in my world, the first part of that Stonetop mechanic would kick in, as there is zero chance of that ever happening, But as soon as you even allow the thinnest of wedges, with that 2nd part of the mechanic (like I said, I don't know what XP represents), a player will say "but I rolled super high, you must do what I say, otherwise it is no fun". [/QUOTE]

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