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<blockquote data-quote="Vince_Snetterton" data-source="post: 8473277" data-attributes="member: 7033114">The mechanic you just described is really a situation where the target (PC or NPC) is saying &quot;look, I made a savings throw, or contested ability check (like a Grapple) and this is the number you now have to beat on your roll&quot;.&nbsp; Now, if another player asked me the question you have posed, I would say, every time, &quot;The DC is 1000.&quot; And that is PvP.There is a player in the one group I am playing in that he and I have serious issues with one another (real surprise). He is indeed playing that Bard. He first tried to cast Suggestion (being a bad player he did not realize that Elves make Charm saves at Advantage) on my char for my char to give up my magic sword which he told the group he was going to then toss down a pit 3300 feet deep. Since then, he has tried Persuasion on me (+10 at 5th level) to do stuff I am adamant that my char would not do. But he keeps rolling high and the DM says &quot;yeah, your char will allow the Bard to hug you&quot;, or &quot;yeah, you agree with the Bard that stealing from a powerful NPC is OK&quot;. Now, this as much on the DM as the player. The DM could say &quot;this is PvP, and not allowed&quot;, but instead, said &quot;PvP is discouraged&quot;. In the case of that hug situation, I had already stated that the Bard was going to end up with a dagger in his throat if he had not made his DC roll set by the DM (as I said, this was a case where the target has no agency, but I would be a hypocrite to use that defence, since I don't believe in &quot;player agency&quot;)</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Vince_Snetterton, post: 8473277, member: 7033114"] The mechanic you just described is really a situation where the target (PC or NPC) is saying "look, I made a savings throw, or contested ability check (like a Grapple) and this is the number you now have to beat on your roll". Now, if another player asked me the question you have posed, I would say, every time, "The DC is 1000." And that is PvP. There is a player in the one group I am playing in that he and I have serious issues with one another (real surprise). He is indeed playing that Bard. He first tried to cast Suggestion (being a bad player he did not realize that Elves make Charm saves at Advantage) on my char for my char to give up my magic sword which he told the group he was going to then toss down a pit 3300 feet deep. Since then, he has tried Persuasion on me (+10 at 5th level) to do stuff I am adamant that my char would not do. But he keeps rolling high and the DM says "yeah, your char will allow the Bard to hug you", or "yeah, you agree with the Bard that stealing from a powerful NPC is OK". Now, this as much on the DM as the player. The DM could say "this is PvP, and not allowed", but instead, said "PvP is discouraged". In the case of that hug situation, I had already stated that the Bard was going to end up with a dagger in his throat if he had not made his DC roll set by the DM (as I said, this was a case where the target has no agency, but I would be a hypocrite to use that defence, since I don't believe in "player agency") [/QUOTE]

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