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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Lyxen" data-source="post: 8474381" data-attributes="member: 7032025">So the PC don't get checks either to convincingly present lies to NPCs ? What is Deception for then ?I'm sorry, but it's exactly the same thing, a task.I'm sorry, but just as the players sometimes are not equal to the task of roleplaying their character and prefer to describe it themselves, I don't feel I can present an argument as convincingly as a Demon Prince with 26 Cha and Deception proficiency. Call me a bad DM...It's exactly the same task than when a PC attempts to convince and NPC.  Zero difference, if you still think that there is a difference, you will have to find a rule that shows that there is a difference.The only rule that is different is about the attitude, because NPCs have one and PCs don't, but that only a minor part of the Social Encounter.</blockquote>