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<blockquote data-quote="iserith" data-source="post: 8474665" data-attributes="member: 97077">Not necessarily. The rule is not &quot;if climb, then roll Athletics&quot; or &quot;if search for clue, then roll Investigation.&quot; If it was, then yeah, you're going to have to break that out into distinct ability checks to resolve the action declaration.The DM can instead say that climbing the tree is trivially easy, thus making the outcome certain and thus there is no ability check to resolve climbing the tree. The DM may then say the clue is hidden, making finding it uncertain, and call for an ability check. One action declaration, one roll resolves.Alternatively, the DM can say that climbing the tree is hard, perhaps because it is slippery, but that once up in the tree's canopy, the clue is easy to see. So here the DM just calls for the Strength (Athletics) check to climb and, if successful, the PC gets to the canopy safely and the clue is there to be found. In this case, the clue is just part of describing the environment after narrating the successful climb.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="iserith, post: 8474665, member: 97077"] Not necessarily. The rule is not "if climb, then roll Athletics" or "if search for clue, then roll Investigation." If it was, then yeah, you're going to have to break that out into distinct ability checks to resolve the action declaration. The DM can instead say that climbing the tree is trivially easy, thus making the outcome certain and thus there is no ability check to resolve climbing the tree. The DM may then say the clue is hidden, making finding it uncertain, and call for an ability check. One action declaration, one roll resolves. Alternatively, the DM can say that climbing the tree is hard, perhaps because it is slippery, but that once up in the tree's canopy, the clue is easy to see. So here the DM just calls for the Strength (Athletics) check to climb and, if successful, the PC gets to the canopy safely and the clue is there to be found. In this case, the clue is just part of describing the environment after narrating the successful climb. [/QUOTE]

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