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<blockquote data-quote="Charlaquin" data-source="post: 8475034" data-attributes="member: 6779196">It wasn’t intended to be. My apologies if I misun your position.I agree, and if I gave the impression that I didn’t, I haven’t expressed myself adequately.I disagree that the outcome of an ability score bonus or proficiency must be applicable in the specific case of a check being made to resolve an action taken with intent to force a player’s character to make a certain decision in order to be useful. There are plenty of other cases where those bonuses may be applicable, which would therefore make them useful.I had no intent of suggesting that you discount the normal play loop. I was specifically taking issue with the way you describe ability checks as something a character “uses against” another character. I think this way of framing ability checks creates a lot of misunderstandings, same as calling them “skill checks” does.The idea that the DM is not expected to use ability checks to resolve actions that NPCs take that could affect other NPCs seems like an unfounded assumption to me.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Charlaquin, post: 8475034, member: 6779196"] It wasn’t intended to be. My apologies if I misun your position. I agree, and if I gave the impression that I didn’t, I haven’t expressed myself adequately. I disagree that the outcome of an ability score bonus or proficiency must be applicable in the specific case of a check being made to resolve an action taken with intent to force a player’s character to make a certain decision in order to be useful. There are plenty of other cases where those bonuses may be applicable, which would therefore make them useful. I had no intent of suggesting that you discount the normal play loop. I was specifically taking issue with the way you describe ability checks as something a character “uses against” another character. I think this way of framing ability checks creates a lot of misunderstandings, same as calling them “skill checks” does. The idea that the DM is not expected to use ability checks to resolve actions that NPCs take that could affect other NPCs seems like an unfounded assumption to me. [/QUOTE]

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