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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Charlaquin" data-source="post: 8475135" data-attributes="member: 6779196">It’s not an attempt at straw manning, it’s a defense against it. People keep arguing as if I’m claiming something I’m not - that the rules somehow disallow the DM from ruling that an action made to force a PC to make a certain decision is uncertain. I’m not, and my position is that the rules don’t disallow this, or any other ruling. I do think than any assertion about what the DM can’t do is meaningless. I do, however, think there is meaning in distinguishing between what the rules instruct the DM to do (which is to say, support the DM in doing), and what they do not. I believe this to be the latter.No, most things don’t require a suspension of roleplaying, because most things don’t force the PC to make a decision contrary to the player’s intent.No, the DM doesn’t need to halt roleplaying to resolve an action unless that action would prevent roleplaying, as defined in the rule we keep arguing about. And I’d the action would do so, I don’t believe the rules would support the DM in ruling the action as uncertain, whether it’s a PC or an NPC taking it.And again, this is not my intent. I’m sorry if I keep giving you the impression that I’m not treating your position fairly, but I am trying to argue in good faith here. I understand that. I once again am not claiming my position is the best logical interpretation of the rules. I think my position does make logical sense; I think other positions have mage logical sense as well. There was one person who’s counter arguments were not well logically founded and I stopped engaging with them because it was clear they and I weren’t going to be able to get anywhere. I think I’ve demonstrated how my conclusions flow from the rules as they’re written, and I think it’s pretty clearly not circular. If you disagree, I don’t know what else to say other than to continue to respond in rebuttal to the objections you raise to my arguments and let anyone who’s actually still reading this thread draw their own conclusions from our arguments.</blockquote>

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