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<blockquote data-quote="Bill Zebub" data-source="post: 8475180" data-attributes="member: 7031982">Thanks.&nbsp; That was actually a really good synopsis.My first reaction is that maybe you are using &quot;Cha skills&quot; as shorthand, but I think it's really about any action (that isn't a named ability with defined mechanics that explicitly override the general with the specific) that causes loss of decision-making.&nbsp; The simplest case is if the orc uses Strength (Intimidate) instead of Charisma (Intimidate).&nbsp; Or maybe it's an NPC trying to keep the PC's attention with Dexterity (Sleight-of-hand) card tricks.&nbsp; The point being that it's not that &quot;Cha&quot; has special rules, but that any attempt to get the PC to do something...again, in the absence of specific rules that override the general case...ultimately relies on the player agreeing to do it.&nbsp; It just so happens that the most obvious examples of that use Cha skills.That might seem like just a semantic distinction, but part of your argument seems to rest on why this one attribute, out of six, is a special case.&nbsp; And I don't think it is.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Bill Zebub, post: 8475180, member: 7031982"] Thanks. That was actually a really good synopsis. My first reaction is that maybe you are using "Cha skills" as shorthand, but I think it's really about any action (that isn't a named ability with defined mechanics that explicitly override the general with the specific) that causes loss of decision-making. The simplest case is if the orc uses Strength (Intimidate) instead of Charisma (Intimidate). Or maybe it's an NPC trying to keep the PC's attention with Dexterity (Sleight-of-hand) card tricks. The point being that it's not that "Cha" has special rules, but that any attempt to get the PC to do something...again, in the absence of specific rules that override the general case...ultimately relies on the player agreeing to do it. It just so happens that the most obvious examples of that use Cha skills. That might seem like just a semantic distinction, but part of your argument seems to rest on why this one attribute, out of six, is a special case. And I don't think it is. [/QUOTE]

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