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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Lyxen" data-source="post: 8475277" data-attributes="member: 7032025">I can see your perspective, built from mine, it is inherentrly flawed as it stems from the fact that everything the PCs do starts from them, that they do actions and receive description and that is all that is happening in the game. It might be the way the players play the game when it is their turn to act, but the fact that it is happening does absolutely not preclude actions starting from any other element in the game, controlled by the DM.The best example is combat, if the DM decides that an NPC is attacking a PC, this is an uncertain action which does not come from anything the player has done, it is initiated by the DM, is uncertain, resolved by a dice roll and will affect the PC, technically, but also in terms of description.It's exactly the same with the DM deciding that an NPC will deceive a PC, it's an uncertain action which does not come from anything the player has done, it is initiated by the DM, is uncertain, resolved by a dice roll and will affect the PC, because the description done by the DM willc certainly influence the player into his decision making.Actuallo no, these are actual rules, and nothing in there suggest that they are more optional than combat rules. The fact that these rules are invisible to players does not mean that they are not rules, and they are not options.Maybe, but it's ot requested that this purpose is described by the player.And you will have a hard time proving that it's different from what the DM does with his NPC and the information that the PC is providing to him. It's exactly the same, it's entirely up to the DM to decide what the NPC will do with them.And the DM does exactly the same thing with his NPC, no difference, he decides whether the NPC believes the PC or not. Q.E.D.</blockquote>

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