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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Aldarc" data-source="post: 8475290" data-attributes="member: 5142">Not quite. I said nothing about them calling out any critics of Parley. I said that one common response among the Stonetop community involved having an adult-to-adult talk with the players in question who may be trying to use Parley (vs. PCs) to fish for XP. I see nothing offensive about this approach, as [USER=16814]@Ovinomancer[/USER] and hopefully others know, I'm a huge advocate of adults simply talking out game table issues responsibly, particularly if people may not be playing the game in good faith. In my experience, these are usually table issues that can be reasonably discussed rather than game issues. That said, cheesing the game was already part of the prompt when you presumed scenarios wherein players may be trying to fish this move for XP. Stonetop is based on Dungeon World, which is a PbtA game that uses mark XP on a 6- result. Please note several things about this move*: (1) there are conditions in the fiction that are required for it to be triggered by the GM, and (2) the XP gained in 7+ and 10+ results involve the targeted player rather than the one who is rolling. While it may seem unusual that the targeted player receives XP, they are effectively "losing" the result by agreeing to do what the rolling player wants. <a href="https://spoutinglore.blogspot.com/2020/01/parley-in-stonetop-and-homebrew-world.html" target="_blank">Here is a blog post</a> from Jeremy Strandberg on their Spouting Lore blog that discusses his thoughts on Parley in Dungeon World and how/why they made the changes they did for Stonetop/Homebrew World. * [USER=7031982]@Bill Zebub[/USER] posted an out-of-date version of the move. It's still mostly the same, but it's now called "Persuade (vs. PCs)." If it's not clear, have you ever once considered that this is not the entire write-up for the move in the (unpublished) book? Have you ever once considered asking for further clarification about this move, Stonetop, or Dungeon World? You weren't being called out. That is entirely in your own head. I didn't think that anything about the general responses I collected somehow called anyone out. These sort of comments (i.e., you're forgetting a rule, talk it out with the players, begin and end with the fiction) are perfectly reasonable considerations for any TTRPG discussion. Nothing about what I wrote somehow warranted your needlessly hostile tone, declaring the game flawed, or insulting the designer. I'm not sure why you seemingly want to escalate this into a non-existent slight against you. I'm trying to help clarify matters, but that's not going to happen if your primary concern remains castigating the game (and the designer) for an imagined slight rather than understanding the rules with any shred of good faith. I do think that you are mistaken for declaring this a "patent bug in one of their rules" - especially one that you have not demonstrated is flawed - that betrays a lack of familiarity with the rules. Should you ask politely and respectfully, I am more than willing to clarify those rules. But I would recommend asking in good faith rather than you just unilaterally declaring that you have found flaws in a game you are clearly ignorant about. Because otherwise that would be a "patent bug" in your own understanding in what I had hoped would be good faith discourse about this move in Stonetop.</blockquote>

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