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<blockquote data-quote="Lyxen" data-source="post: 8475309" data-attributes="member: 7032025">It really depends what you mean by &quot;immune&quot;. Technically, yes, as there are no technical consequences, but note that there are also no technical consequences for a PC succeeding at a Cha check against an NPC, so NPCs are actually also immune to Cha proficiency.The fact is that there are only roleplaying consequences, so from the technical perspective, everyone is immune (although, technically, if you apply the attitude rules on NPCs, the attitude might change, but the consequences are roleplaying ones anwyay).However, there is one area in which the PCs are not immune, all their perceptions depend on the DM's descriptions. So if the DM decides that a deception check succeeds, the lie of the NPC will not be resolved and the player will miss a clue. The player will still be able to decide what he does, but he will lack the information to carry his plan, or even start his planning. So not so immune after all. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Lyxen, post: 8475309, member: 7032025"] It really depends what you mean by "immune". Technically, yes, as there are no technical consequences, but note that there are also no technical consequences for a PC succeeding at a Cha check against an NPC, so NPCs are actually also immune to Cha proficiency. The fact is that there are only roleplaying consequences, so from the technical perspective, everyone is immune (although, technically, if you apply the attitude rules on NPCs, the attitude might change, but the consequences are roleplaying ones anwyay). However, there is one area in which the PCs are not immune, all their perceptions depend on the DM's descriptions. So if the DM decides that a deception check succeeds, the lie of the NPC will not be resolved and the player will miss a clue. The player will still be able to decide what he does, but he will lack the information to carry his plan, or even start his planning. So not so immune after all. :) [/QUOTE]

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