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<blockquote data-quote="Bill Zebub" data-source="post: 8475355" data-attributes="member: 7031982"><p>Oh, yes. When I said it was explicitly player -> monster I was referring to the sections on social manipulation, not general skill usage.</p><p></p><p>Anyway, I was about to write that I think a lot of this comes down to how much weight one puts on the passage from page 174. Which is supported by this:</p><p></p><p></p><p>I don't think you do have to keep repeating exceptions, if you believe the exceptions are inviolate. Charm and sleep spells don't bother saying, "...unless the target has immunity." Weapon attacks don't carry the proviso, "...unless the target has immunity to slashing" or "or half that much, if the target has resistance to slashing".</p><p></p><p>Likewise, I don't think it's necessary to keep putting in parentheticals that players make their own decisions. The opposite, in fact: when an ability <em>can</em> override the rule, it is described as an exception to the general rule. Which is what I see in the rules.</p><p></p><p>But, again, that's only true if you give a lot of weight to page 174. I do, but only because I already have that belief. You don't, so...yeah, your interpretation also makes sense.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I think there's a pretty clear distinction between belief and knowledge, as [USER=6779196]@Charlaquin[/USER] laid out above. If you have some reason why that's insufficient, I'm not following it. Is it possible you are arguing that there is no difference between day and night, with the proof being dawn and dusk? If so, it might be interesting to find hypothetical play examples that sit right on that boundary. So far, I've yet to hear an example where I find the distinction unclear.</p><p></p><p>As some other posters have pointed out, NONE OF THIS MATTERS. You claim to not be invoking rule zero, but I will: people can play however they want, so this is not an important argument. It's just interesting. But you seem to be getting snippy and offended, as if people are trolling you or doubting your sincerity. I don't think that's the case.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Bill Zebub, post: 8475355, member: 7031982"] Oh, yes. When I said it was explicitly player -> monster I was referring to the sections on social manipulation, not general skill usage. Anyway, I was about to write that I think a lot of this comes down to how much weight one puts on the passage from page 174. Which is supported by this: I don't think you do have to keep repeating exceptions, if you believe the exceptions are inviolate. Charm and sleep spells don't bother saying, "...unless the target has immunity." Weapon attacks don't carry the proviso, "...unless the target has immunity to slashing" or "or half that much, if the target has resistance to slashing". Likewise, I don't think it's necessary to keep putting in parentheticals that players make their own decisions. The opposite, in fact: when an ability [I]can[/I] override the rule, it is described as an exception to the general rule. Which is what I see in the rules. But, again, that's only true if you give a lot of weight to page 174. I do, but only because I already have that belief. You don't, so...yeah, your interpretation also makes sense. I think there's a pretty clear distinction between belief and knowledge, as [USER=6779196]@Charlaquin[/USER] laid out above. If you have some reason why that's insufficient, I'm not following it. Is it possible you are arguing that there is no difference between day and night, with the proof being dawn and dusk? If so, it might be interesting to find hypothetical play examples that sit right on that boundary. So far, I've yet to hear an example where I find the distinction unclear. As some other posters have pointed out, NONE OF THIS MATTERS. You claim to not be invoking rule zero, but I will: people can play however they want, so this is not an important argument. It's just interesting. But you seem to be getting snippy and offended, as if people are trolling you or doubting your sincerity. I don't think that's the case. [/QUOTE]
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