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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Charlaquin" data-source="post: 8475479" data-attributes="member: 6779196">The roleplaying rule doesn’t need to be given primacy. A rule applies unless a more specific rule contradicts it. And my argument does not suggest that anything is “more permitted” than others. The rules instruct the DM to do some things, and do not instruct the DM to do other things. My position is simply that making an ability check to resolve an action taken to force a player to make a certain decision for their character is in the latter category.I haven’t moved the goalposts, I just misunderstood Clearstream’s premise. What I thought was arguing the premise as they presented it was in fact not. My bad there.No. I am not treating any checks differently than each other. If there are two bins, they are “actions with uncertain outcomes” and “actions without uncertain outcomes” all actions in the second bin are not appropriate to resolve with ability checks of any kind. All actions in the first bin are appropriate to resolve with ability checks.No, whether an action is taken by a PC or an NPC has no bearing on how it ought to be resolved.You’ve got that reversed. The certainty or uncertainty of an action is what determines which bin it goes in.These objections you raise do not actually conflict with my interpretation of the rules. But apparently there is nothing I can say to demonstrate that fact and won’t be dismissed as “special pleading,” so I’m just not going to bother engaging with these objections any more. I’ve demonstrated why they don’t conflict with my reading, no point banging my head against a wall if you’re just going to keep accusing me of making up “imaginative excuses.It literally says “the creature is charmed by you.”Great. I’m engaging in motivated thinking, so you don’t have to actually address my argument, you can just dismiss it as illegitimate. Have fun with that.Mhmm. Go off.Your argument was that there is no path from the RAW that can arrive at the RAI. I tell you that I did in fact arrive at the RAI by following a path to the RAW.</blockquote>

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