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<blockquote data-quote="Charlaquin" data-source="post: 8475502" data-attributes="member: 6779196">In order for the results of a successful ability check to come into play, an ability check must first be made. My understanding is that ability checks are made to resolve actions with uncertain outcomes. My understanding is that the outcome of an action that is made with the intent of forcing the player to make a specific decision for their character is not uncertain.Charm Person does not require a successful ability check to be made in order to impose the charmed condition, nor does it require one to cause the affected creature to treat the caster as a friendly acquaintance. It does require the target to fail a Charisma saving throw to do those things, but it specifically says that the target must make a saving throw; a specific exception to the ordinary process of the DM determining if the action is uncertain and calling for an appropriate roll to be made if it is. Same deal with Frightful Presence.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Charlaquin, post: 8475502, member: 6779196"] In order for the results of a successful ability check to come into play, an ability check must first be made. My understanding is that ability checks are made to resolve actions with uncertain outcomes. My understanding is that the outcome of an action that is made with the intent of forcing the player to make a specific decision for their character is not uncertain. Charm Person does not require a successful ability check to be made in order to impose the charmed condition, nor does it require one to cause the affected creature to treat the caster as a friendly acquaintance. It does require the target to fail a Charisma saving throw to do those things, but it specifically says that the target [I]must[/I] make a saving throw; a specific exception to the ordinary process of the DM determining if the action is uncertain and calling for an appropriate roll to be made if it is. Same deal with Frightful Presence. [/QUOTE]

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