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<blockquote data-quote="Lyxen" data-source="post: 8476134" data-attributes="member: 7032025">Yes you do, see below, since you end up granting the NPC a Charisma (Deception) check in the end.And the problem by doing this is that you are equating yourself as a DM to the NPC you are controlling, which is not what roleplaying is about. NPCs are limited by their skills and abilities like PCs are, which is one thing that is sometimes not too hard to do when it's diminishing your abilities, but just impossible to do when the NPC abilities are greater than yours. For example, I know that I am incredibly clever and so charismatic (not to mention an incredible liar <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue&nbsp; &nbsp; :p"&nbsp; data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" />), but even I would not dare compare myself to an Archdevil in terms of persuasion.Taking into account these abilities in your roleplaying of the NPC is as much what roleplaying is about as it is doing the same thing for a player playing his PC.You are of course free to totally reverse things this way, but it's not what the RAW is saying. First, in the introduction to the PH, it says that the DM has actions, so the action was the NPC lying to the PC, which should be resolved first. This is further confirmed once more by the active/passive character of the skills used, in particular Deception.And yet, they will have been influenced by the Charisma (Deception) check of the NPC, and this while leaving the player 100% free to decide... <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue&nbsp; &nbsp; :p"&nbsp; data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Lyxen, post: 8476134, member: 7032025"] Yes you do, see below, since you end up granting the NPC a Charisma (Deception) check in the end. And the problem by doing this is that you are equating yourself as a DM to the NPC you are controlling, which is not what roleplaying is about. NPCs are limited by their skills and abilities like PCs are, which is one thing that is sometimes not too hard to do when it's diminishing your abilities, but just impossible to do when the NPC abilities are greater than yours. For example, I know that I am incredibly clever and so charismatic (not to mention an incredible liar :p), but even I would not dare compare myself to an Archdevil in terms of persuasion. Taking into account these abilities in your roleplaying of the NPC is as much what roleplaying is about as it is doing the same thing for a player playing his PC. You are of course free to totally reverse things this way, but it's not what the RAW is saying. First, in the introduction to the PH, it says that the DM has actions, so the action was the NPC lying to the PC, which should be resolved first. This is further confirmed once more by the active/passive character of the skills used, in particular Deception. And yet, they will have been influenced by the Charisma (Deception) check of the NPC, and this while leaving the player 100% free to decide... :p [/QUOTE]

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