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Message: <blockquote data-quote="HammerMan" data-source="post: 8476805" data-attributes="member: 84112">hiyes, and completely ignores that we have a mechanic to tell if something fails/succeeds (before I and others house rule that the better you do on the check the better you do in narrative)Okayexactly, and when the game DOES have NPC/PC act different it calls it out.I actually am not 100% down with the 'play loop' but have accepted it as part of this discussion in good faith.by RAW I think the DM... by my Interpretation of what they meant combining interviews and other rules I think PC...but either way it's coolagreed...yup, again by defualt I would say 99% of the time there HAS to be a not automtic vs PCs...but I could imagine corner cases where it is.sort of grey area. I have NEVER done so but again I can imagine a corner case where I could have, it just would be so weird that I can't imagine it coming up.  The other end though, the auto fail I know has come up...REAL GAME EXAMPLE: a 9th level party of 5 PCs and an NPC controlled by a player (sidekick/apprentice) go to walk into clearing... 6 kobolds pop up from ambush and the lead one pulls a rusty old knife (the others all have short bows that look like they have seen better days) he puffs his chest trying to be intimadating but really you will have to fight the urge to laugh as he says in his squaky shaky voice "Stop 2 silver each or else you can't pass"as you can see I had him "trying to be intmidating," and ruled it failed "You have to fight the urge to laugh"okay agree. the DM can not (Again avoiding some monster special ability/spell) make the PCs hand over there gold, and shouldn't narrate them to be intimidated. again, grey area... they can and I can't imagine anyone here argueing, even [USER=97077]@iserith[/USER] , that we describe auto fails all the time...now I want a "How you doing?" half orc with a 8 cha to try to seduce a PC... maybe in a week or two when they get back to town.okay makes sense. okaymaybe it is just I have spent so long in a set of groups, but we all pretty much agree on skill/stats anyway, so sure... I can get behind this as one of the ways of reading RAW.</blockquote>

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