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<blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 8477013" data-attributes="member: 23751">People misinterpret things and keep doing so.&nbsp; Misinterpretations don't become valid interpretations just because the people doing it believe that they are correct.If the outcome is in doubt and there is a meaningful consequence for failure, then an ability check is called for.&nbsp; So if I describe the orc engaging in a great display of intimidation, the next step is for the player to decide success, failure or doubt.&nbsp; If the player says, &quot;The orc's display makes me a bit nervous, but I cannot be cowed,&quot; then the intimidation has failed.&nbsp; If the player says, &quot;Holy cow.&nbsp; I don't want to mess with that guy.&nbsp; I turn around and run back into the forest and try to get away, &quot; the intimidation has succeeded.&nbsp; If the player says, &quot;That's a really impressive display, I'm really not sure if I would stay or run,&quot; then a roll is called for because the outcome is in doubt and there is a meaningful consequence for failure.Those aren't the rules.&nbsp; The rules are that such a check is not made unless the outcome is already in doubt and there is a meaningful consequence for failure.&nbsp; You joined a long time ago, but your post numbers indicate that you're fairly new to posting things and participation.&nbsp; So you might not be aware that this is the umpteenth thread on this.&nbsp; I'm not going to go back and dig through at LEAST a dozen threads in order to prove to&nbsp; you that you only speak for yourself and not everyone. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />So, I don't like or dislike any argument you've made.&nbsp; And no, not one of them has supported the ability to override the rule that the player gets to decide what his character thinks or feels.&nbsp; You still haven't responded to the fact that your interpretation turns social skills into a form of mind control that is superior to the Suggestion spell.&nbsp; Do you really think the designers intended social skills to be more powerful than a 2nd level spell designed to control minds?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Maxperson, post: 8477013, member: 23751"] People misinterpret things and keep doing so. Misinterpretations don't become valid interpretations just because the people doing it believe that they are correct. If the outcome is in doubt and there is a meaningful consequence for failure, then an ability check is called for. So if I describe the orc engaging in a great display of intimidation, the next step is for the player to decide success, failure or doubt. If the player says, "The orc's display makes me a bit nervous, but I cannot be cowed," then the intimidation has failed. If the player says, "Holy cow. I don't want to mess with that guy. I turn around and run back into the forest and try to get away, " the intimidation has succeeded. If the player says, "That's a really impressive display, I'm really not sure if I would stay or run," then a roll is called for because the outcome is in doubt and there is a meaningful consequence for failure. Those aren't the rules. The rules are that such a check is not made unless the outcome is already in doubt and there is a meaningful consequence for failure. You joined a long time ago, but your post numbers indicate that you're fairly new to posting things and participation. So you might not be aware that this is the umpteenth thread on this. I'm not going to go back and dig through at LEAST a dozen threads in order to prove to you that you only speak for yourself and not everyone. ;) So, I don't like or dislike any argument you've made. And no, not one of them has supported the ability to override the rule that the player gets to decide what his character thinks or feels. You still haven't responded to the fact that your interpretation turns social skills into a form of mind control that is superior to the Suggestion spell. Do you really think the designers intended social skills to be more powerful than a 2nd level spell designed to control minds? [/QUOTE]

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