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<blockquote data-quote="HammerMan" data-source="post: 8477913" data-attributes="member: 84112">he wants the player to describe the scene... the problem is if the player isn't good at describe X action then his character sucks at it even if he is better...I want you guys reaction to this:Example (not exactly 100% real but based on my least fav 3e game)2 players, both want to search a foot locker, me and jon.&nbsp;&nbsp; I am new to the group, Jon has played with this DM for 5+ years.My character has max ranks in search, and a high score to go with it. (I wanted to be a perceptive rogue)Jon's character had 0 ranks in search and a lower stat then me.we have reason to believe this foot locker has hidden things in it (one a package we are looking for, the other maybe something else.I say I want to check out the foot locker. DM asks me to describe how. I tell DM 'I don't know, I guess I open it look for stuff in it&nbsp; or on it, you know a general search pick stuff up go through it' DM has me roll, I roll high and get in the 20s and find nothing.Jon says &quot;let my character look, I pick up the foot locker dump everything out, go through it with my axe handle first, then my hands, I turn out all the pockest and look for hidden stitches&nbsp; then I look inside the empty foot locker and use my axe to measure outside and inside depth, if there is a difference of more then a small amount I start tapping the inside&quot; DM doesn't have him roll, just tells him he finds the hidden package in the pocket of the pants and the hidden compartment in the foot locker.DM then tells us it was a DC 12 to find (so I needed like a 3 or 4 to hit it) but we needed to look for stitches and hidden compartments...with sociol it is worse... yeah so shy kids can't play cha bards I guess...</blockquote>

[QUOTE="HammerMan, post: 8477913, member: 84112"] he wants the player to describe the scene... the problem is if the player isn't good at describe X action then his character sucks at it even if he is better... I want you guys reaction to this: Example (not exactly 100% real but based on my least fav 3e game) 2 players, both want to search a foot locker, me and jon. I am new to the group, Jon has played with this DM for 5+ years. My character has max ranks in search, and a high score to go with it. (I wanted to be a perceptive rogue) Jon's character had 0 ranks in search and a lower stat then me. we have reason to believe this foot locker has hidden things in it (one a package we are looking for, the other maybe something else. I say I want to check out the foot locker. DM asks me to describe how. I tell DM 'I don't know, I guess I open it look for stuff in it or on it, you know a general search pick stuff up go through it' DM has me roll, I roll high and get in the 20s and find nothing. Jon says "let my character look, I pick up the foot locker dump everything out, go through it with my axe handle first, then my hands, I turn out all the pockest and look for hidden stitches then I look inside the empty foot locker and use my axe to measure outside and inside depth, if there is a difference of more then a small amount I start tapping the inside" DM doesn't have him roll, just tells him he finds the hidden package in the pocket of the pants and the hidden compartment in the foot locker. DM then tells us it was a DC 12 to find (so I needed like a 3 or 4 to hit it) but we needed to look for stitches and hidden compartments... with sociol it is worse... yeah so shy kids can't play cha bards I guess... [/QUOTE]

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