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<blockquote data-quote="Mordhau" data-source="post: 8478493" data-attributes="member: 7032137">I don't really think there's any practical disagreement here.&nbsp; It's just quibling about terminology.The GM can be expected to say some things can't be done.Player: I flap my arms really hard and try to fly up to the roof of the cave to check out the stalactites.DM: NoPlayer: What If I roll a natural 20 on Athletics?DM: No.I don't think anyone's meaning to suggest that things that are perfectly reasonable to attempt can't be attempted just because they're not clearly permitted by the rules.&nbsp; But ultimately the DM is the abtritrator of what is reasonable to attempt.&nbsp; (And in practical terms if it's not a spell or special ability or an attack role, or saving throw, then pretty much anything that can be reasonably attempted is covered by the rules for an ability score - assuming a check is required.&nbsp; If it's not something you could reasonably attempt, like flying, then you can't do it unless you have a specific exception like a magic spell or item - in which case, it largely makes sense to say, &quot;if it's outside the rules you can't do it&quot;.).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Mordhau, post: 8478493, member: 7032137"] I don't really think there's any practical disagreement here. It's just quibling about terminology. The GM can be expected to say some things can't be done. Player: I flap my arms really hard and try to fly up to the roof of the cave to check out the stalactites. DM: No Player: What If I roll a natural 20 on Athletics? DM: No. I don't think anyone's meaning to suggest that things that are perfectly reasonable to attempt can't be attempted just because they're not clearly permitted by the rules. But ultimately the DM is the abtritrator of what is reasonable to attempt. (And in practical terms if it's not a spell or special ability or an attack role, or saving throw, then pretty much anything that can be reasonably attempted is covered by the rules for an ability score - assuming a check is required. If it's not something you could reasonably attempt, like flying, then you can't do it unless you have a specific exception like a magic spell or item - in which case, it largely makes sense to say, "if it's outside the rules you can't do it".). [/QUOTE]

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