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Message: <blockquote data-quote="HammerMan" data-source="post: 8478903" data-attributes="member: 84112">DO you understand that the DMs ability (or lack of ability) to describe a lie (or a threat, or a persuasive tone) is not what is being tested. It means every lie (or a threat, or a persuasion) regardless of in game skill or stat is dependent on the DM. Even as someone who doesn't like or use the Cha skills for NPCs can you see why some DM/Players would want to use them?Not all DMs can narrate those clues.  Some can't keep a straight face, some can't think of them.but you would roll stealth if an NPC was trying to hide right? you would roll athletics to climb (just assume we have gotten passed auto fail/make the rolls)thats cool  I can get why you do it that way. I will say in my current game I have described every single NPC (even random ones) eye color/shape/appearance in detail, when I never have before... it took 3 sessions for 1 player to say "Hey, I think he is getting to something with the eyes thing..." Only then did they start noting (well the one player that keeps notes reliably) the colors of the eyes (nothing else just color). We are on session 40ish right now and last night when I described a Green Eyed NPC the note taker's eyes went wide... he activated the group telepathy (maybe it was still up from before I don't remember) and said "I think I got it... all the green eyes are vampires" and almost immediately someone else said "But it's day time..." followed by, "after this lets count up the green eyed NPCs" It is NOT that all vampires have green eyes, and it is not that only vampire have green eyes...I don't even understand (other then a single set of spawn that both had green almond shaped eyes) what would make him think so...what players do and don't pick up on is funny.   This exact same set of player a little over a year ago picked up on me describing land scapes a way and then unraveled a major secret of the universe in moments...I know this is 100% opinion, but I HATE with a passion (both as  DM and a Player) the "search every door, every 5ft of hallway" mentality that builds with that style of play, especially when the 1 or 2 first few traps (maybe even just 1 out 3) is deadly or OCULD be deadly.if those were the only 2 choices I would agree with youyup if you hve the time, and the ability to do so that is great... what about when your players go left and are WAY off plan and you need to improvise...</blockquote>

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