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<blockquote data-quote="clearstream" data-source="post: 8479991" data-attributes="member: 71699">Apologies for having missed that. It's been a long 100 pages!I'm actually with [USER=16586]@Campbell[/USER] in believing that it is not well justified to treat D&amp;D rules as a computer program. Right up front in the PHB, the designers talk about the flexibility and infinite scope the DM brings to the game. So when it comes to orders of operations, I'm unconvinced that kind of analysis validly applies. If it did, I'm not sure I would map it procedurally in any case.As to &quot;might&quot; I usually take each possible reading an compare them. I can give some examples of how that looks for social skills if you like? But yeah, it's ambiguous.Actually, I agree that the right framing is PCs declare actions. That's somewhat different from saying that they decide how those actions are resolved, e.g. if they are certain or uncertain. DM decides how those actions are resolved, including deciding something is uncertain, certain-fail, certain-success. Consider for instance, even before that, DM must have decided what procedure to use! If we really wanted to exercise DM power to finagle in what they wanted to do, there's no end of tricks we could employ!</blockquote>

[QUOTE="clearstream, post: 8479991, member: 71699"] Apologies for having missed that. It's been a long 100 pages! I'm actually with [USER=16586]@Campbell[/USER] in believing that it is not well justified to treat D&D rules as a computer program. Right up front in the PHB, the designers talk about the flexibility and infinite scope the DM brings to the game. So when it comes to orders of operations, I'm unconvinced that kind of analysis validly applies. If it did, I'm not sure I would map it procedurally in any case. As to "might" I usually take each possible reading an compare them. I can give some examples of how that looks for social skills if you like? But yeah, it's ambiguous. Actually, I agree that the right framing is PCs declare actions. That's somewhat different from saying that they decide how those actions are resolved, e.g. if they are certain or uncertain. DM decides how those actions are resolved, including deciding something is uncertain, certain-fail, certain-success. Consider for instance, even before that, DM must have decided what procedure to use! If we really wanted to exercise DM power to finagle in what they wanted to do, there's no end of tricks we could employ! [/QUOTE]

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