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<blockquote data-quote="Lyxen" data-source="post: 8480952" data-attributes="member: 7032025">From my perspective, it's not actually correct. Although yes, the dice roll&nbsp; does not in itself describe the quality of the result (it's binary, you either succeed or fail, there is no notion of the quality of the result obtained), the problem with your interpretation is that it assumes that the outcome was precisely described at the start of the action, which is actually not necessarily the case. Since the actual results of success of failure are (usually) not pre-determined with any precision, It is therefore totally supported by the rules to say that the actual outcome of the ability check and its description are in any case totally determined by the DM, who is therefore absolutely free to take into account the result of the dice roll to indicate the quality of the result.It's easy to see from the description of success and failure at an ability chech:<ul>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">Success: &quot;If the total equals or exceeds the DC, the ability check is a success — the creature overcomes the challenge at hand.&quot; But as nothing here indicates how the challenge is overcome and by how much, the DM is absolutely supported to describe that success any way he chooses, including with a quality of result if he so chooses.</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">Failure: &quot;Otherwise, it's a failure, which means the character or monster makes no progress toward the objective or makes progress combined with a setback determined by the DM.&quot; Here it's even more obvious, you can even have a success through (partial) progress, but the DM can set any setback or consequence he chooses, including one based on the quality of the result.</li>
</ul>So while the rules indicate a binary result, because that result can be described in any term the DM chooses, he is supported in doing exactly that. The rules do not set a degree, but again the game is incredibly open and actually tell that the DM chooses the degree himself according to any criterion he chooses.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Lyxen, post: 8480952, member: 7032025"] From my perspective, it's not actually correct. Although yes, the dice roll does not in itself describe the quality of the result (it's binary, you either succeed or fail, there is no notion of the quality of the result obtained), the problem with your interpretation is that it assumes that the outcome was precisely described at the start of the action, which is actually not necessarily the case. Since the actual results of success of failure are (usually) not pre-determined with any precision, It is therefore totally supported by the rules to say that the actual outcome of the ability check and its description are in any case totally determined by the DM, who is therefore absolutely free to take into account the result of the dice roll to indicate the quality of the result. It's easy to see from the description of success and failure at an ability chech: [LIST] [*]Success: "If the total equals or exceeds the DC, the ability check is a success — the creature overcomes the challenge at hand." But as nothing here indicates how the challenge is overcome and by how much, the DM is absolutely supported to describe that success any way he chooses, including with a quality of result if he so chooses. [*]Failure: "Otherwise, it's a failure, which means the character or monster makes no progress toward the objective or makes progress combined with a setback determined by the DM." Here it's even more obvious, you can even have a success through (partial) progress, but the DM can set any setback or consequence he chooses, including one based on the quality of the result. [/LIST] So while the rules indicate a binary result, because that result can be described in any term the DM chooses, he is supported in doing exactly that. The rules do not set a degree, but again the game is incredibly open and actually tell that the DM chooses the degree himself according to any criterion he chooses. [/QUOTE]

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